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Re: Balistol vs Hoppes

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Post by RossA » Wed May 09, 2018 11:48 am

I have always had a problem with any "CLP" product that claims to both clean and lubricate. Think about this:
In order to properly clean a gun, a substance has to be a solvent which dissolves dirt, grime, old dirty lubricants, etc.
If a product dissolves lubricants, how can it also be a lubricant itself?
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Post by Liberty » Wed May 09, 2018 4:06 pm

Abraham wrote:How quickly the new cleaner/lubes fall out of favor.

No mention of Frog Lube or Fire Clean.

I'm using up the last of my Fire Clean, but man the stench of Hoppe's isn't something I'm going back to.

The quest for the best gun cleaner/lube is like trying to find the Ark or something similar.

Heck, bacon grease would probably be a good lube and smell great too!
I was mostly curious about the one product does all aspect. Most of my hand guns would likely outlast me if I never put oil in them. But I live them any way. Cleaning my guns has never been much of chore either. I don't typically get them that dirty. I've always used solvent and then oil, touch up with a little grease on the sliding parts. Today I cleaned my EDC, was mostly just dirty with lint and such. Sprayed wiped, a little scrubbing. Ran a boresnake through the wet barrel.with a little ballistic on the tail. Cleaned up good.seemed well lubed after it dried. Ballistic does stink. But it disappeared quickly. I do like the smell of Hoppes though. I will see how it works after putting a few rounds through it and cleaning it again.
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Re: Balistol vs Hoppes

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Post by rotor » Wed May 09, 2018 4:55 pm

RossA wrote:I have always had a problem with any "CLP" product that claims to both clean and lubricate. Think about this:
In order to properly clean a gun, a substance has to be a solvent which dissolves dirt, grime, old dirty lubricants, etc.
If a product dissolves lubricants, how can it also be a lubricant itself?
I would bet that most lubricants are also solvents or mixed with a solvent. You soak a patch with a CLP type product and the solvent removes most of the old junk and deposits some new cleaner junk.
Does it make any difference. My guns seem to work well with all of the commercial products. What I have never found is a product that removes carbon buildup.

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Re: Balistol vs Hoppes

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Post by carlson1 » Wed May 09, 2018 5:13 pm

rotor wrote:
RossA wrote:I have always had a problem with any "CLP" product that claims to both clean and lubricate. Think about this:
In order to properly clean a gun, a substance has to be a solvent which dissolves dirt, grime, old dirty lubricants, etc.
If a product dissolves lubricants, how can it also be a lubricant itself?
I would bet that most lubricants are also solvents or mixed with a solvent. You soak a patch with a CLP type product and the solvent removes most of the old junk and deposits some new cleaner junk.
Does it make any difference. My guns seem to work well with all of the commercial products. What I have never found is a product that removes carbon buildup.
Try Slip 2000.
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Post by oohrah » Thu May 10, 2018 12:30 am

I use Ballistol exclusively on my black powder firearms becasue it is water based (probably why hickock45 uses it also). I clean with hot soapy water, but use Ballistol fro lube.(Can't use petroleum based stuff with BP, it gums up.)
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Post by magillapd » Thu May 10, 2018 2:49 am

I also learned of balistol from Hickok45. I now use it exclusively and have never had a problem.
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Post by Liberty » Thu May 10, 2018 6:46 am

oohrah wrote:I use Ballistol exclusively on my black powder firearms becasue it is water based (probably why hickock45 uses it also). I clean with hot soapy water, but use Ballistol fro lube.(Can't use petroleum based stuff with BP, it gums up.)
Ballistol is petroleum based, has White mineral oil, Propane and isohexane. I think though what makes it more suitable with black powder is that it that it emulsifies with water (mixes)
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Post by Liberty » Thu May 10, 2018 6:49 am

magillapd wrote:I also learned of balistol from Hickok45. I now use it exclusively and have never had a problem.
He isn't even a huge advocate of the stuff. he uses it and it works for him. He probably has sold more of this stuff than he has guns though.
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Re: Balistol vs Hoppes

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Post by SigSour » Thu May 10, 2018 7:52 pm

Ballistol is good stuff.

From the MSDS it contains the following ingredients:
Mineral Oil
Potassium Oleate
Ammonium Oleate
Oleic Acid
Benzyl Alcohol
Amyl Alcohol
Isobutyl Alcohol
Benzyl Acetate
Anethole
Isohexane (aerosol only)

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Re: Balistol vs Hoppes

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Post by bulletslap » Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 pm

I have used Ballistol to wipe down my old relics for many years, it does not harm wood or leather. I use Clenzoil also for the same reason.

I do not use them for bore solvent, or lubrication for friction points, as there are much better products for those purposes.


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Re: Balistol vs Hoppes

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Post by MechAg94 » Fri May 11, 2018 4:06 pm

I used to use Hoppes #9 as my lube all the time. I started using a few different synthetic lubricants that I like better: Slip 2000 and Mpro7. The MPro7 has the best applicator on the bottle. I have some Froglube, but haven't tried to use it yet. The main reason I went to the non-petroleum lubes is they generally have better high temp ability and they don't dry out. One of the reasons I have been told not to put lube on a trigger group is the lube will dry out over time and leave a non-lube film behind that can keep your gun from working. I had it happen with a 22 rifle once.

For cleaning, I generally stick with purpose made carbon removers, usually made by the same companies as above.



Sounds like Gun lubes and Gun cleaners are still one of those issues for which everyone has a pretty unique opinion and does what works for them.

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