Luminaries on trigger control

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Luminaries on trigger control

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Post by treadlightly » Tue May 08, 2018 8:39 pm

Great discussion of what DVC stands for.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/trigge ... n-leatham/


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Post by Ruark » Tue May 08, 2018 9:23 pm

Well, good grief, I was waiting for Travis Haley.......
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Post by carlson1 » Tue May 08, 2018 9:30 pm

Great video.
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Post by Paladin » Wed May 09, 2018 12:25 pm

The subject is trigger control, and there is certainly something we can all learn from Rob Leatham and Co.

I like the video in that he explains the importance of trigger control and grip, but Rob admits in the video that his background is competition and that the Modern Technique developed from bullseye shooting not combat, and I would caution that he speaks that perspective.

Rob recommends practice. Good advice. If everyone had the time and money to shoot 1.5 million .45 ACP rounds (cost of 1.5M re-manufactured .45ACP rounds is currently running $300,000+), and purchase a $2,000 match quality 1911 they might be on an equal footing with Rob.

For the rest of us, dry-fire while balancing a coin on the gun or affordable tools like MantisX or airsoft are more realistic methods for developing a good trigger control.
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Post by Paladin » Wed May 09, 2018 3:42 pm

Demonstration and advice on trigger control from the best:

Handgun Speed & Accuracy Tips with Jerry Miculek
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Post by SigM4 » Wed May 09, 2018 8:15 pm

For anyone who’s never heard of him, Bruce Gray might be one of the most insightful folks you’ll find on the topic of trigger control. From his passion for dry firing, to his belief in “pressing” the trigger, to his insistence on practicing the bump drill he’s very knowledgeable on the topic. If you ever get to take a class with him (and Jerry Jones) I highly encourage you to. It will definitely change your shooting for the better.

Check out his post Zen and the Art of Hitting stuff

Here he is discussing the bump drill
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Post by TreyHouston » Wed May 09, 2018 9:46 pm

treadlightly wrote:Great discussion of what DVC stands for.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/trigge ... n-leatham/

WOW! This is 100% correct. Are we training to it the target or traing for REAL LIFE?
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Post by Paladin » Mon May 14, 2018 8:25 am

SigM4 wrote:For anyone who’s never heard of him, Bruce Gray might be one of the most insightful folks you’ll find on the topic of trigger control. From his passion for dry firing, to his belief in “pressing” the trigger, to his insistence on practicing the bump drill he’s very knowledgeable on the topic. If you ever get to take a class with him (and Jerry Jones) I highly encourage you to. It will definitely change your shooting for the better.

Check out his post Zen and the Art of Hitting stuff

Here he is discussing the bump drill
https://youtu.be/s7a3I1pN45s
Thanks! Bruce is very well spoken :thumbs2:
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Post by Paladin » Mon May 14, 2018 12:14 pm

SigM4 wrote:
Check out his post Zen and the Art of Hitting stuff
Bruce has some great thoughts, but I am very cautious about a few things Bruce is saying here:

1. "Tell it to focus intensely on the front sight and not to think of anything else. Not the target (it’s there), not the gun (it’s fine and we know it’s zeroed well enough), just the front sight..."

This works great for target shooting or "proactive" shooting where the bad guy isn't actively shooting at you.

If you are being shot at, its pretty hard not to focus on the threat. It is common and very understandable to focus on the threat's gun. That is where Bruce's advice is going to break down, and where all that training on front sight focus is going to go out the window in an instant.

These situations are often dynamic, with everyone in motion and if you are focusing intently on the front sight of your weapon you may not see important changes downrange.

2. "The entire concept of “point shooting” is praying to yet another false idol."

Bruce is showing his background as a competition shooter here. The reality is that plenty of Cops have been killed at close range by point shooters who had more training than the cops they killed.

LTC Rex Applegate stated:
Results of Practical Range Training
The practical hand gun range described below, known as the “House of Horrors,” was in operation over a two-year period. During this time several thousand hand gun shooters, of all degrees of training and experience, fired over it. A study of the records led to the following conclusions:
(1) That target shooting proficiency alone is not enough to equip the average man for combat, where the hand gun is his primary weapon.
(2) That the instinctive-pointing technique of combat firing is the best all-around method of shooting the hand gun with-out the aid of sights.
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There is no better way to teach and to learn the use of weapons and their employment than by practicing under conditions as close to the real thing as possible.
In The House of Horrors there were twelve silhouette targets at which the shooter fired in bursts of two shots. None of these silhouettes had been at any greater distance than ten feet from the shooter.
...The average number of hits on silhouettes increase from four to ten [for the group trained in instinctive-point shooting]
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