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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by bblhd672 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:55 am

Jay2121 wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:25 am

Anyway I have attached an excellent article on open carry. It might ask you to pause your ad blocker if you have one. It takes a second and is well worth the read.

https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/the- ... open-carry
:iagree: Well worth the time to read.
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by Rob72 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:59 am

OC greatly broadens the dynamics of possible social interactions, some good, some not so good.

Most folks I've met who OC don't participate in FOF. Many, even most in raw numbers, CCers don't either, but in my fairly rarified population sampling more CCers do than OCers. That has significance in one's overall ability to carry a weapon.

Does OC make you a target? To a very specific population, absolutley. To the general population, not so much. The equation here is that if a BG finds himself in dire need of a firearm, and he can see you have one, he'll begin assessing your awareness, posture, physical nearness of family/significant others. There are far fewer people in this group, but the level of violence they present with will be far higher and faster than the thug-doof.

In our politically charged day, it will start drawing more attention from provokers, possibly even using force and going so far as to try to get a Carrier to shoot them. I'm not aware of any cases yet, but I will be very surprised if we don't see something like this in the near future.

Generally not a fan of OC. 😉

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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by bblhd672 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:05 am

Rob72 wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:59 am
In our politically charged day, it will start drawing more attention from provokers, possibly even using force and going so far as to try to get a Carrier to shoot them. I'm not aware of any cases yet, but I will be very surprised if we don't see something like this in the near future.

Generally not a fan of OC. 😉
You might be overestimating the snowflakes willingness to go "all in" for their cause and getting shot. :mrgreen:
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by Rob72 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:35 am

bblhd672 wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:05 am
Rob72 wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:59 am
In our politically charged day, it will start drawing more attention from provokers, possibly even using force and going so far as to try to get a Carrier to shoot them. I'm not aware of any cases yet, but I will be very surprised if we don't see something like this in the near future.

Generally not a fan of OC. 😉
You might be overestimating the snowflakes willingness to go "all in" for their cause and getting shot. :mrgreen:
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:50 am

I don't open-carry for two primary, but not exclusive, reasons. I don't want to draw attention to the fact that I'm armed; and 2) I don't want to get shot by a BG if I'm sufficiently unlucky to be at a location where an armed robbery goes down. Yeah, I'm saying I don't want to be a target and it's not an excuse for some other motivation.

Some argue that there is no evidence that carrying openly will make you a target for hijackers. While true, it's a meaningless statement since most of us have never been in any location when a hijacking was occurring. I don't know of a single incident where a hijacking occurred in the presence of someone carrying openly. The "lack of evidence" argument fails because there is no evidence that carrying openly does not make you a target.

Let's use some logic concerning an entirely too-frequent crime. Look at the number of multiple hijackers we are seeing in various locations like restaurants. If I'm in a restaurant that is hit by 3 or more BG's, does anyone really think that seeing me with a handgun on my side is not going to make me the center of attention for the BG's? Of course it will! Whether they shoot me or simply steal my handgun, I've lost. With my handgun concealed, I have the option to engage or not, as I see fit depending upon the circumstances. Some will argue that even if I'm carrying openly it is not guaranteed that any of the hijackers will see my handgun. This is absolutely true. However, they may see it and this is a risk that is not present when I carry concealed.

I don't care if anyone, other than my family, carries only; that's their choice. Just don't claim that a sound tactical decision is groundless and an excuse for some unstated reason.

Chas.

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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by mojo84 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:50 pm

I am glad open carry passed. However, I have only open carried a time or two. Otherwise, I conceal carry 98% of the time when allowed by law. How anyone else carries is of no concern to me as long as they do it responsibly and appropriately so as to not bring a bad light upon the carry of guns and the 2nd Amendment.

Doing it just to get a rise out of others and to instigate a confrontation falls in neither the responsible or appropriate category in my opinion.
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by oljames3 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:59 pm

mojo84 wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:50 pm
I am glad open carry passed. However, I have only open carried a time or two. Otherwise, I conceal carry 98% of the time when allowed by law. How anyone else carries is of no concern to me as long as they do it responsibly and appropriately so as to not bring a bad light upon the carry of guns and the 2nd Amendment.

Doing it just to get a rise out of others and to instigate a confrontation falls in neither the responsible or appropriate category in my opinion.
:iagree: How anyone outside of my family chooses to carry is of no concern to me. I've encouraged my youngest brother to carry concealed as that best fits his capabilities. I encourage my younger brother, retired Marine Lt Col, to carry openly in CO, but he finds that carrying concealed best fits his needs. They both carry. Win.

I'm training my three youngest sons to carry concealed. Time will show how they evolve as armed citizens.

Based on my experience and training, carrying openly is a sound tactical and strategic decision for me at this point. That may change one day, but not this day.

As in most things in life, it comes down to which risks we are willing to manage and which benefits matter most to us.

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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by canvasbck » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:36 pm

I used to OC quite a bit, but since I got a car with really nice Nappa leather seats, I mostly CC now. I'll still occasionally OC if I'm going to be out and about in my truck.
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by jason812 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:42 pm

Only time I really make a point to conceal is at events with lots of kids running around (park, zoo, t-ball...). Only to avert any drama with other "grown ups." I know I shouldn't care what they think but I would rather enjoy my kids than worry about some triggered mother.

Other than that if I want to OC, I OC. If not, I CC.

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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by canvasbck » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:48 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:50 am
I don't open-carry for two primary, but not exclusive, reasons. I don't want to draw attention to the fact that I'm armed; and 2) I don't want to get shot by a BG if I'm sufficiently unlucky to be at a location where an armed robbery goes down. Yeah, I'm saying I don't want to be a target and it's not an excuse for some other motivation.

Some argue that there is no evidence that carrying openly will make you a target for hijackers. While true, it's a meaningless statement since most of us have never been in any location when a hijacking is occurring. I don't know of a single incident where a hijacking occurred in the presence of someone carrying openly. The "lack of evidence" argument fails because there is no evidence that carrying openly does not make you a target.

Let's use some logic concerning an entirely too-frequent crime. Look at the number of multiple hijackers we are seeing in various locations like restaurants. If I'm in a restaurant that is hit by 3 or more BG's, does anyone really think that seeing me with a handgun on my side is not going to make me the center of attention for the BG's? Of course it will! Whether they shoot me or simply steal my handgun, I've lost. With my handgun concealed, I have the option to engage or not, as I see fit depending upon the circumstances. Some will argue that even if I'm carrying openly it is not guaranteed that any of the hijackers will see my handgun. This is absolutely true. However, they may see it and this is a risk that is not present when I carry concealed.

I don't care if anyone, other than my family, carries only; that's their choice. Just don't claim that a sound tactical decision is groundless and an excuse for some unstated reason.

Chas.
My personal opinion, which is worth exactly what you paid for it, is that the risk of being "a target" is real but very small. An openly carried gun is just as likely to be a deterrent as it is to attract hostile actions.

This is really a personal decision. There are legitimate arguments that can be made either way. I have no problem with someone doing as Charles did here and state their reason for making the decision that they made. Where I get irritated is when people tell me what decision I should make based on their reasons for making a decision to OC or CC. I'm comfortable with each mode of carry and will use whatever method of carry suits me for that outing. (see post about leather seats)
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by John Galt » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:54 pm

I never understood why anyone would want to bring that attention to themselves.


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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by jb2012 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:57 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:50 am
With my handgun concealed, I have the option to engage or not, as I see fit depending upon the circumstances.
I carry owb but concealed 99.99% of the time, mainly for the reason I quoted Charles. Just because you are in a situation where you CAN, use your gun, does not mean you SHOULD use your gun.

My other reason is I just really don’t care for the attention that it draws. I have absolutely no problem with other folks carrying openly, I just would rather go about my day without the unnecessary attention. For the most part I do not wear flashy clothing for the same reason.

IMO it’s whatever floats your boat.
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I don't often open carry, but when I do, I carry Dos Equis.... :coolgleamA:
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by Jusme » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:08 pm

John Galt wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:54 pm
I never understood why anyone would want to bring that attention to themselves.


I can't speak for everyone, but for me, I OC mostly for comfort. I have never found an IWB holster that was comfortable for me. I also don't like walking around with my shirttail hanging out. It was drilled into me as a child to tuck in my shirt. With CC, I always had to "dress around my gun" by either untucking my shirt, or wearing a cover garment, like a vest, or jacket, which gets very uncomfortable in the Texas heat.

I wear very conservative clothes, for the most part, so I don't "stand out" in a crowd. Therefore, when I OC, most people never notice it, even though it is a full size, M&P. I also try to look as neat and clean as possible, so as not to give a bad impression of OCers, to those who do notice. I am also very friendly, to those I encounter, whether, store clerks, waitstaff, or the general public. It has never been my goal, to draw attention, to the fact that I am carrying. Everyone who has noticed, and commented, on the fact that I'm carrying, have had nothing but positive things to say. That may not be the case everywhere in the State, and what works for me may not work for others, and that's fine.
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by Noggin » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:15 pm

Like most others here I agree with the premise that you should go with what you feel comfortable with. I read the linked article and agree with many of the points made a number of which were included in another article that was linked to an earlier thread on a related topic. My personal position is that I OC on all occasions unless I have to visit 30:07, the three most common instances being HEB, Whataburger and both of our local movie theatres. My carry options at the moment are either M1911 4" or a full size 16rd 9mm. When I hide them under my shirt they are "technically" concealed but not completely invisible. While I have read that a 380acp is a perfectly adequate defensive load based on actual incidents I feel happier carrying something a bit bigger. I am however very aware, based on "dry" practice that I am better able to get my weapon out and into the aim in 1.5secs when OC rather than CC and for me that seems like a critical factor.
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Re: Thoughts on open carry

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Post by Take Down Sicko » Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:29 pm

I carry concealed 99.9 percent of the time. However, i have enjoyed the two times that i have seen others outside carrying there firearms.

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