1911 Bug bites again. Which one?

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Which one of these three?

Colt CCU Government
3
15%
Colt Competition
8
40%
Colt Classic
9
45%
 
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1911 Bug bites again. Which one?

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Post by C-dub » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:31 am

There are three that interest me this time.
The CCU model is turning out to be the most difficult to find. I have found a place that has the Competition model and another that says the have the Classic model, but I haven't seen it in person yet. There's been much discussion on the 70 vs. 80 series trigger groups. I'm wondering if all the extra features of the CCU model make the series 80 trigger group not that big of a deal. Or is the simpler 70 series that much better? This will not be a serious competition gun and might only get used in local competition a few times. It'll be more of a heirloom/person acquisition. Since I already have my Trophy in stainless I want a black one, which is what I thought I would get first.

The CCU Government has a bunch of nice features, but a series 80 trigger group.
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/govern ... lk-5-81-ns
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The Competition & Classic have the series 70 trigger group, but standard magwells.
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/1911-classic
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I do kinda like the fiber optic front sight on the Competition model.
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/compet ... 5acp-bl-81
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Post by AndyC » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:48 am

C-dub wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:31 am
There's been much discussion on the 70 vs. 80 series trigger groups. I'm wondering if all the extra features of the CCU model make the series 80 trigger group not that big of a deal. Or is the simpler 70 series that much better?
I have both a series 70 and 80 - and I'm picky about my 1911 triggers and have worked on them (knowing what I'm doing), so while I'm not a smith I still feel justified in giving my opinion:

1. Trigger-pull effect. I doubt that most people could even tell any difference between the 70 and 80 parts during the trigger-pull, much less actually shoot any better with one over the other.

2. The above notwithstanding, my own personal belief is "the fewer parts, the better". I don't like corporate lawyers shoving stuff in guns (to fend off an extremely rare event ie. a loaded 1911 dropped on its muzzle) - which then complicates the design and causes them to have extra parts to break (which I've seen happen a number of times on the range, despite the naysayers). That aforesaid rare event could be mitigated by simply using a lighter FP and a heavier FP spring - done and dusted.

3. All of the above may be irrelevant if a series 80 has been neutered to a 70 and is then used in a DGU. While I'm confident that the "light FP, heavy FP spring" is an excellent solution to the very rare muzzle-drop occurrence, I'd sure hate for my attorney to try to explain why that "fix" is better/safer than the manufacturer's design...

To finally answer your question - I think the extra upgrades (sights, etc) make the CCU or Competition models better than a 70, despite the 80 parts. If I had to choose.... Competition model as I don't personally like front serrations.
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Post by Beiruty » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:50 am

Does it have to be a Colt?
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Post by Rob72 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:58 am

Gotta say, I REALLY don't like Colt, and haven't for many years. The late 70s into the early 90s were horrible for their production guns. It's not that they couldn't produce a decent 1911, they just chose not to. :banghead:

More recent offerings may be better, but IMHO, yuo'll pay more for the name than it's worth.

Rant off. ;-)

The CCU probably is better, especially with the DLC coating. It will wear better, and should be (if properly finished, post-machining) smoother internally than the blued or parked offerings.

Regarding the series 80 system, it can be a grievous headache, especially on a $1000+ purchase, but it can be negated. At worst, you can send it back to Colt, if you have to (and you may not)

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Post by C-dub » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:17 pm

Beiruty wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:50 am
Does it have to be a Colt?
Doesn’t have to be, but I do like them. I only have one so far and it is and has been a good one.

One place I went looking had a few RIA 1911’s and I might take a second look at those.
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Post by C-dub » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:21 pm

Rob72 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:58 am
Gotta say, I REALLY don't like Colt, and haven't for many years. The late 70s into the early 90s were horrible for their production guns. It's not that they couldn't produce a decent 1911, they just chose not to. :banghead:

More recent offerings may be better, but IMHO, yuo'll pay more for the name than it's worth.
I get that, but I don’t have enough experience with enough manufacturers to have any that I don’t like. The only Colt 1911 I have has been totally reliable and a fantastic shooter.
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Post by Beiruty » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:25 pm

Among other expensive 1911 pistols, I have

Para 1911 single stack , SS in 45 ACP
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1HGmSUMEXvUHFEaHA

RIA 1911 single stack, Creakote in 9mm
https://photos.app.goo.gl/EayHXJZBtmoWpWJj8

Both are excellent shooters. If you can tune a trigger or polish control surfaces they will only get better.
I recommend the Rem new 1911 (fab by Para) too.
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Post by Rob72 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:37 pm

Beiruty wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:25 pm
Among other expensive 1911 pistols, I have

Para 1911 single stack , SS in 45 ACP
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1HGmSUMEXvUHFEaHA

RIA 1911 single stack, Creakote in 9mm

Both are excellent shooters. If you can tune a trigger or polish control surfaces they will only get better.
I recommend the Rem new 1911 (fab by Para) too.
Yeah, for about the same money, you do get a few more & different options:
https://www.remington.com/handguns/mode ... ngle-stack

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Post by Beiruty » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:39 pm

Stating your max budget would help zeroing on your pistol. Also, Are you considering new only, or new/used would be ok?
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Post by Zombified » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 pm

I voted for the CCU but would also recommend looking at Dan Wesson's. There are a few in the same price range as the CCU.

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Post by C-dub » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:32 pm

Beiruty wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:39 pm
Stating your max budget would help zeroing on your pistol. Also, Are you considering new only, or new/used would be ok?
I don’t really have a max budget. I have enough squirreled away to get the Classic or Competition right now and would need a couple more months maybe for the CCU. If I find something I want I’ll either get it or save until I can get it.

Never gave much thought to new vs. used. Lean towards new without ruling out used.
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Post by DocV » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm

The Competition and Classic are both series 70s. I think they are about the same price. The obvious differences are grip safety, trigger profile, hammer, sights, etc are what I would concentrate on. My problem is I like all 1911 configurations.
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Post by C-dub » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:21 pm

DocV wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm
The Competition and Classic are both series 70s. I think they are about the same price. The obvious differences are grip safety, trigger profile, hammer, sights, etc are what I would concentrate on. My problem is I like all 1911 configurations.
And my problem is I like Colts. My dad liked Rugers, but mostly revolvers. People have their preferences for whatever reasons and that’s cool!
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:34 pm

Zombified wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 pm
I voted for the CCU but would also recommend looking at Dan Wesson's. There are a few in the same price range as the CCU.
I'd second this. To be fair I have limited experience with Colts having owned only a Colt Defender that was perfectly adequate, and a WW1 era gun that I've never actually shot.

But I absolutely love my Dan Wessons, and I don't see a huge difference between them and my Nighthawk Custom.
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Post by Beiruty » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:16 pm

I suggest to find a Colt Gold Cup National Match 70 series from early 1980s.
There is a like new one with a presentation box on GB for 1500 was not sold for a while. Maybe worth 1200 or so


Here is an excellent one
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