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NL: Shooter runs into path of own bullets

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Post by ELB » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:13 pm

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... om-itself/
Two [Netherlands Air Force} F-16s were conducting firing exercises on January 21. It appears that the damaged aircraft actually caught up with the 20mm rounds it fired as it pulled out of its firing run. At least one of them struck the side of the F-16’s fuselage, and parts of a round were ingested by the aircraft’s engine. The F-16’s pilot managed to land the aircraft safely at Leeuwarden Air Base.
Even if you follow all four rules you can still shoot yourself by accident. :???:


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Post by surprise_i'm_armed » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:42 pm

Wow, you learn something new every day.

It's been said that .45 ACP's are slow, but I'm pretty sure they will reach your target before you stroll over to check the damage. :-)

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Post by couzin » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:59 pm

I dont see it - the f16 is maxed at 1500mph, the 20mm round is at 3400fps, or 2318mph.
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Post by warnmar10 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:48 pm

couzin wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:59 pm
I dont see it - the f16 is maxed at 1500mph, the 20mm round is at 3400fps, or 2318mph.
For how long, and more importantly, how far does the 20mm round fly at 3400fps before it begins to slow to F16 speeds?
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Post by 2farnorth » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm

If you fire at an slight upward angle then fly under the bullet path at high speed you can catch or pass the rounds. The rounds are slowing down rapidly and starting to fall They are dangerous if you ingest one in the engine or hit a live HEI (explosive). It's been part of "don't do training" for decades.
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Post by ELB » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:24 am

2farnorth wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm
If you fire at an slight upward angle then fly under the bullet path at high speed you can catch or pass the rounds. The rounds are slowing down rapidly and starting to fall They are dangerous if you ingest one in the engine or hit a live HEI (explosive). It's been part of "don't do training" for decades.
You don't have to fire upward. In both cases I linked to the rounds were fired at the earth's surface. The rounds begin decelerating due to wind resistance as soon as they leave the barrel, but the aircraft is still maintaining or accelerating its speed.
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Post by 2farnorth » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:36 am

Either way. If you fly underneath the bullets trajectory at high speed you can catch the rounds.
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