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TX: Houston Police Officer has ND shooting self at academy range

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Post by philip964 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:22 pm

https://www.click2houston.com/news/2019 ... e-academy/

Occurred while drawing his gun from his holster.

Training with other detectives in the major offenders group.

Conscious and in stable condition.

They called it an unintentional discharge. Art is blaming the holster as defective.

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Post by Lynyrd » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:50 pm

From the article.
"The gunshot entered in this thigh and came out on his lower leg near his ankle. It appears to be a through and through wound. we’re very happy and relieved to say he is alert, conscious and he is doing well,” Acevedo said.

He blamed the holster, saying it has a design flaw that he believes contributed to the accidental shooting.

“The holster he was using is a holster that has a release right here on the side of the holster and as he came up his finger inadvertently ended up engaging at the trigger into the trigger guard and he shot himself in the thigh,” Acevedo said.

Acevedo said the department is conducting an investigation into the incident. He said he expects the department to prohibit the use of that particular holster by other officers because it’s not safe.
Focus on this part of the quote.
as he came up his finger inadvertently ended up engaging at the trigger
So Acevedo said the officer engaged the trigger, but the holster is to blame. IMHO that is a political statement. Blame everyone who isn't on our team. Hmmmm... how long before the lawsuit?

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Post by carlson1 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 pm

Didn’t read the article, but taking a guess here as a Blackhawk Serpa Holster.
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Post by LDP » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:10 pm

A) Never liked holsters where you have to push where the trigger is. That is pure insanity.
B) Acevedo will blame anyone but his team, that's just how he's wired.

Glad the officer is in good shape. I think he'll train his finger much more carefully now.


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Post by longtooth » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:17 pm

Blackhawk Serpas are everywhere. I refused to allow one on my range for training for this very reason. It is the only holster I every negatively spoke by name in class. I know one acquaintance that carries in one and he knows what I think about it. He thinks it is the cats meow.

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Post by AJSully421 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:35 am

If it was a SERPA, I would not be surprised.

They are banned on our range and for duty use in our company.
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Post by Liberty » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:36 am

I'm betting that it was a striker-fired weapon such as a Glock, Probably paired with a Blackhawk Serpa. It's called Glock leg though, not Serpa Leg.
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Post by crazy2medic » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:41 am

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Post by easy10 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:28 am

Interesting, in my LTC class, the instructor covered ND with finger release holsters, index finger specifically. The class began with a video of a ND. good class..


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Post by flechero » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 am

LDP wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:10 pm
B) Acevedo will blame anyone but his team, that's just how he's wired.
Can't believe art didn't blame the gun...


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Post by dhoobler » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:19 am

flechero wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 am
LDP wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:10 pm
B) Acevedo will blame anyone but his team, that's just how he's wired.
Can't believe art didn't blame the gun...
I can't believe Art didn't blame the NRA.
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Post by Rob72 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:57 am

Lynyrd wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:50 pm
From the article.

So Acevedo said the officer engaged the trigger, but the holster is to blame. IMHO that is a political statement. Blame everyone who isn't on our team. Hmmmm... how long before the lawsuit?

:grumble :eek6 :shock: :???: :banghead:
Serpa is a pseudo-security holster, that is generally lowest-bid. BH has been sued by several departments, and settled with the rider, "not an admission of negligence or malfeasance". Paul Gomez was one of the pre-release evaluators, and made some recommendations (basically a different retention/release mechanism) that were ignored. I would be curious to see what HPD moves towards, assuming they make a change.

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Post by SQLGeek » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:01 am

flechero wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 am
LDP wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:10 pm
B) Acevedo will blame anyone but his team, that's just how he's wired.
Can't believe art didn't blame the gun...

He probably knew we'd have some people here do that for him. Looks like he was right. :evil2:
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:37 am

carlson1 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 pm
Didn’t read the article, but taking a guess here as a Blackhawk Serpa Holster.
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:41 am

Liberty wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:36 am
I'm betting that it was a striker-fired weapon such as a Glock, Probably paired with a Blackhawk Serpa. It's called Glock leg though, not Serpa Leg.
Glock Leg has happened with other holsters too. But in the case of the Serpa, it happens with 1911s too (warning.....F-Bomb and SoB after he shoots himself):
https://youtu.be/zYvAxLX6OzE

He shows two holsters.... the Safariland "thumb drive" holster that he’d been using earlier in the day with a Glock, and the Serpa he was using with his 1911 when he shot himself.

He blames himself, not the holster. But I’d contend that some equipment creates the environment for higher risk than others. I like the Safariland thumb release system. You couldn’t pay me to use a Serpa, regardless of what gun I was using.
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