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Bought a shotmaker

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Post by AndyC » Mon May 05, 2014 10:47 am

... well, parts of one.

Background: V-rog came around on Saturday. I had invited him over to go shoot skeet with my .410 and showed him my new MEC loader and let him clank around on it for a while (I kinda felt like Tom Sawyer :lol: ). Now, Rog is real smart with numbers and he quickly figured out the component costs involved in reloading .410 shells - I was kinda surprised when he announced that a 1/2 oz of shot costs about 7c - hmmm.

We went shooting, had a great time, (he shot better with my 410 than he ever has with a 12-ga!) and afterwards back at my place, among other things, we got to discussing shot-makers in general - wouldn't it be nice, they're so expensive, etc, etc. Another friend had mentioned shotmakers a number of times too, so wheels were grinding loudly.

.410 reload costs:
powder - 6c
shot - 7c
primer - 4c
wad - 2c

On ebay I happened to come across a new shotmaker pan selling for $70 - about 6x6x2 in size, with threaded holes for 5 drippers and a 2" ramp. Bought it as well as a set of 7 drippers to make #9 shot ($60) - I figure I can set this pan on the single hotplate I have (for preheating bullet molds) and start making shot.

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Sigh - yet another skill to learn.
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Re: Bought a shotmaker

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Post by Don2 » Mon May 05, 2014 4:22 pm

That is EXACTLY what I wanted to get....!!!!

I have an idea that I have been pushing around, if you had that shotmaker pan sitting on an electric hot plate letting it warm up, THEN sit your bottom pour furnace over it and fix the valve to stay on, you should be able to get that to work.

Thought: You may have to start with a lead ingot or two to get an amount of lead at the drippers ( Head pressure is important )
I have heard of people heating up the lip under the drippers up with a torch just to get it making shot, when it all comes up to temp, it should make good shot with your bottom pour on full blast????

I saw a few youtube videos like that, but the guy did not explain much about the setup and how he got it working.
I just have my old small shotmaker to draw any ideas from.

Also, a lot of guys say that using regular chalk board chalk on the ramp helps the lead grab the ramp and "Roll" to form round shot better.

KEEP ME/US INFORMED of your progress. I am VERY interested.....!!! :thumbs2: :cheers2:

Let me know if you need any info I may have.
I have shotmaker info saved up from years of hoarding info from the inet.
I love all that tinkering stuff.

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Post by AndyC » Mon May 05, 2014 6:02 pm

Never have done this before, so believe me I'll be badgering you, Don ;)
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Post by Don2 » Mon May 05, 2014 7:07 pm

Badger away Bro.....!!!
It's not bugging me when I like the project and want to make one myself... :mrgreen:
You can be the Guinea pig ;-)

If you do not have an electric hot plate or want a new one, I found one I really like at Walmart that has a cast iron top plate that stays hot for a while after turning it off. Really holds heat longer because of a mass of cast iron on top. All for a $10 bill..!!!
It's an AROMA brand and it's black.
I have been using it to melt wax and other projects. I have an older one with the bare heating coil on top...It's alright but the new one is way better..!!
Just a heads up.

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Post by AndyC » Mon May 05, 2014 7:19 pm

I have a coil-style, too, for preheating my molds - I couldn't find a solid one as Jumping Frog had recommended at the time, but that one you mention might be just the thing :)

All this stuff is scheduled to arrive Friday, so we'll see what happens.
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Post by Don2 » Mon May 05, 2014 8:52 pm

Say Andy, was that shot maker pan made for one of the commercial shotmakers?
Or is it a generic one for making your own?

Doesn't mater I'm just curious...

Would you share the web site it's from?
I'd like to check into it, it sounds just what I wanted.

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Post by AndyC » Mon May 05, 2014 9:52 pm

I bought it on eBay, I think the guy just makes his own generic type - maxx69.123 is his name
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Post by Don2 » Tue May 06, 2014 1:25 pm

Ok thanks.

It's a long time until Friday..!!!!
I hate the waiting game.

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Post by AndyC » Tue May 06, 2014 2:13 pm

I always keep an impending delivery out of my mind to save from being disappointed - it works well (unless it's a progressive press - then I was counting the seconds) :lol:
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Post by Don2 » Tue May 06, 2014 7:12 pm

I'm so mad.....!!! :mad5
I can't find my 410 roll crimper, I was going to try to see if it would taper the shell that had been star crimped to fit in pumps and autos better..!!!
That sucker is around here somewhere, but where. I don't use it very much so it's deep in a drawer or cabinet somewhere.

Still looking.
I told you I was going to try it, and I will as soon as I find it.
Wish I had a metal lathe, I could make one faster.... :thumbs2:


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Post by AndyC » Tue May 06, 2014 7:48 pm

It'll turn up when you least expect it, Don - a month ago I found 2 custom front-sights I'd had made at great expense :lol:

In the meantime, a guy I know bought the same shotmaker from the same guy - he had this to say:

"Andy, I bought the very same shotmaker on ebay, and called the seller when I coundn't get it to work. He was of little help. I had given up and was trying to sell the set up and lead (about 650lbs) when I decided to give it another try. The ramp is way too steep, and the shot hits the coolant at too fast a speed and flattens out. Cut the welds and weld it back on at 20 degrees. Try not to damage the ramp area that the shot drips onto. Wipe on graphite on the ramp is inadequate (my first major hurdle), some use welder's soapstone, I like spray on graphite. Do several coats before firing it up- it is fast dry, but very flammable. The edge of the ramp should almost be sitting on the coolant- the shorter the drop the better. Keep the ramp hot though, as the lead can puddle up. Rockie has my #, feel free to call with questions. I have proved the concept, have made a batch of shootable shot, and am now making the rig:

Drippers feed into 81mm ammo can, shot is funneled to hole at bottom. Shot and coolant pass out hole into plastic drywall mudpan with holes covered by screen. Removed when about half full and replaced with an empty one, coolant remnant washed off shot while still in mudpan. Shot then dried and put in case tumbler with a pinch of graphite. Have loaded half a dozen rounds to pattern at the lease this weekend.


I use a non-stick mini muffin pan for the ingots. A pump returns the coolant from the tub to the ammo can, the pvc ball valve regulates the return flow.


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Here was the shot shape that I just couldn't figure out

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'til I reset the ramp at 20 degrees

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There is fine tuning to do, but this stuff is shootable (some stuff in the can was leftover from unsuccessful attempts)."

So, I reckon I'll have a little bit of work to do first :)
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Post by Don2 » Tue May 06, 2014 8:39 pm

Check this out Andy, this is the one we use to make all our shot.
It's kind of slow, but for $25 at a garage sale, it's fast enough for us..!!!!
It was made in the mid 60's and is still working. That tells you something about the way stuff use to be built..!!
The instructions for our/my little shotmaker are on this page too, I downloaded them to my computer a while back even though we have the original, a digital copy is good too. You may find some tidbits of knowledge in the instructions you could use??
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html? ... 2&t=313291" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We use Diesel or Water in the soup cans ( Shot Catch Cans ) Both work of and make very round shot. I have to look at it close to tell our shot from commercial. Ours has defects every now and then but NO big deal. Teardrop shot fly straight from what I've shot on paper, no key-holing I can see.

The Shotmaker is not really mine, well....My neighbor and I both saw it at a garage sale we visited, but he was closer to it and grabbed it before I could. But he paid for it and I use it...Thats the arrangement. Or until I make one or buy one.....

Thats why I'm interested, but I'm kinda broke right now....Dang taxes...!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead: :mad5 :cryin


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Re: Bought a shotmaker

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Post by AndyC » Tue May 06, 2014 8:57 pm

Hey, I used to see that same one advertised in South Africa when I was a kid! I always wondered how that turned out - very cool, thanks for the link Don :)
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Post by Don2 » Tue May 06, 2014 10:42 pm

AndyC wrote:Hey, I used to see that same one advertised in South Africa when I was a kid! I always wondered how that turned out - very cool, thanks for the link Don :)
It actually works very good, I keep one ingot worth of melted lead in the pot or however much is needed to keep the lead level about a 1/4" above the drippers, I keep one or two ingots on the back of the pan getting warm or slightly melting so I can then push it down into the melted lead to quickly recover the lead height. Head pressure/lead level at the drippers is important also, it keeps the same pressure and amount of lead dripping out. Some of the magic is just learning how and what it takes to get your setup working and how to maintain it.

Just like the story of Goldilocks and the three bears, the lead must not be too hot or too cool at the drippers, it must be just right, thats one of the things you will need to experiment with.
A laser temp gun would be very nice to have. When you get it working and making good shot, take temps at several places and record it so you can get it back to the working temp it likes. I'm sure they all are different.....

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Re: Bought a shotmaker

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Post by AndyC » Wed May 07, 2014 7:39 pm

The gadget and the drippers arrived today - pretty darned quick.

Made of 1/8" steel - here's the angle of the lip, as best I can do:
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Front view:
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The drippers themselves are hex-bolts - they seem very well-made but annoyingly didn't come with any nuts, so I'll have to trot off to Lowes and get some.
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