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Beginer Setup? Progressive?

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Post by rentz » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:17 pm

I've thought about reloading for a few years now and see more shortages on the horizon so now might be as good a time as any to jump in.
have read here and there on it and see some recommend a single stage to start then get progressive and others say jump to progressive.

I'd be looking for volume with each session so progressive makes the most sense, does brand really matter? Lee vs hornandy vs dillon?

Would mainly be doing 9mm and 45acp to start but then expand out to 223 and then reloading for the c&r items like 303 british and 7.5x55


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Post by Richbirdhunter » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:22 pm

I use a RCBS Rock chucker single stage for all of my hunting rifle ammo and load development.

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Post by george » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:24 pm

The problem with beginning with a progressive press, is there are too many things going on at one time.

Just a thought, but if you really, really want to begin with a progressive, it might be wise to only use one step at a time. That is, to use the progressive with only the sizing die installed. This would size and prime the cases. Then, run everything through with the expander/powder drop........never mind. Bad idea.

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Post by ELB » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:16 pm

When I got into reloading I started with a Dillon Square Deal B. All the magazine advice was to start with single step equipment, but like you I was more interested in mass production. Making one round at a time, stopping reweigh and measure and what not seemed to make sense if I wanted to make super-accurate, low volume match or hunting rounds, but I was shooting revolver matches and even with revolvers we were going through quite a few rounds.

I just studied each step of the Dillon machine, figured out exactly what each step/station is was supposed to do and why. The first few times through I did do one or two rounds individually, measured and double checked, re-weighed powder pulls, and once I felt I had everything adjusted and locked down, started cranking them through. Even then I went slowly, set aside a few rounds and pulled the bullets, checked the power again, OAL, etc, I had to adjust my technique a bit, make sure I pulled the lever the same amount with the same strength every time.

Then I really started production, and it was great. Nothing like have a big ol' ammo can full of shiny copper and brass. :mrgreen:

Oh, and I always checked each individual round when I was done. Nothing fancy, just looked for split cases or raised primers, and would set aside maybe 5 or 10 percent and check length with a caliper.
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Post by AndyC » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:01 pm

If you're attentive, you'll be fine with a progressive press.

If you're a moron, it'll help you blow your gun up real quick - like a guy I know who destroyed his M&P because he was too impatient to take things slow, learn the process and understand it.

Brand doesn't really matter, no - but whatever you do, stay away from the Lee Pro 1000; you might get it to work eventually but it'll be a frustrating ride for a beginner.
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Post by rentz » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:53 am

AndyC wrote:If you're attentive, you'll be fine with a progressive press.

If you're a moron, it'll help you blow your gun up real quick - like a guy I know who destroyed his M&P because he was too impatient to take things slow, learn the process and understand it.

Brand doesn't really matter, no - but whatever you do, stay away from the Lee Pro 1000; you might get it to work eventually but it'll be a frustrating ride for a beginner.
yeah, i'd definitely go slow and cautious at first since you're talking about something that could be VERY dangerous if done wrong.

hate to hear that about the lee pro 1000 it was one of the cheapest deals i could find.

I may check around and if i dont find a decent price on a progressive just get a rock chucker single stage for starting.


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Post by jed » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:00 am

I use an old 80s Lee single stage to resize/decap and to prime. Same age Lee turret to load. Never got the auto index to work 25 years ago when I got it used. No matter, I had rather hand index so I know what's going on. Die plates set up with different dies, just pop a different plate in and change shell hold and ready to go.


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I started with a Dillon 650.

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Post by Richbirdhunter » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:23 pm

rentz wrote:I've thought about reloading for a few years now and see more shortages on the horizon so now might be as good a time as any to jump in.
have read here and there on it and see some recommend a single stage to start then get progressive and others say jump to progressive.

I'd be looking for volume with each session so progressive makes the most sense, does brand really matter? Lee vs hornandy vs dillon?

Would mainly be doing 9mm and 45acp to start but then expand out to 223 and then reloading for the c&r items like 303 british and 7.5x55
Looks like we're both located in DFW, if you'd like to get together I'd be happy to show you both systems. Single stage and progressive. I'll have you load some up and see what you like.
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Post by Beiruty » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:36 pm

I started with Classic Turret and Lee Handheld press. You would like it and stick with it. For progressive press 5 stages are working at the same time, 5 issues may happen at the sametime. Fix it 5 times and it may work for you
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Post by tomneal » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:36 pm

I reloaded my first rounds with a Dillon 650 with a case feed (Summer of 1997). I am not sure how many rounds I've reloaded but it's above 100,000. I wouldn't spend my time reloading on a single stage press.

.45ACP, 9MM, .38Super, .40S&W, .243 Winchester, 30-06, .308

Many of the long time rifle reloaders told me to start with a single stage. All the USPSA/IPSC shooters suggested starting with a 650 and moving up to a 1050 if I wanted to reload a lot.

The last few years, I've shot and reloaded less. I don't plan to part with my 650.

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:18 pm

Richbirdhunter wrote:
rentz wrote:I've thought about reloading for a few years now and see more shortages on the horizon so now might be as good a time as any to jump in.
have read here and there on it and see some recommend a single stage to start then get progressive and others say jump to progressive.

I'd be looking for volume with each session so progressive makes the most sense, does brand really matter? Lee vs hornandy vs dillon?

Would mainly be doing 9mm and 45acp to start but then expand out to 223 and then reloading for the c&r items like 303 british and 7.5x55
Looks like we're both located in DFW, if you'd like to get together I'd be happy to show you both systems. Single stage and progressive. I'll have you load some up and see what you like.
This is the best thing you can do -- get an experienced reloader to teach you and point out potential pitfalls. Of course, there are hundreds of YouTube videos that can also help, but you can't beat being able to ask questions and get answers from people who know what they are doing.

I wouldn't guy a single stage press, if you have any intention of getting a progressive later. I learned on single stage presses because that's all that were available. If I were starting out now, I'd get a Dillon and a reloading mentor.

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Post by AndyC » Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:19 am

rentz wrote:
AndyC wrote:If you're attentive, you'll be fine with a progressive press.

If you're a moron, it'll help you blow your gun up real quick - like a guy I know who destroyed his M&P because he was too impatient to take things slow, learn the process and understand it.

Brand doesn't really matter, no - but whatever you do, stay away from the Lee Pro 1000; you might get it to work eventually but it'll be a frustrating ride for a beginner.
yeah, i'd definitely go slow and cautious at first since you're talking about something that could be VERY dangerous if done wrong.

hate to hear that about the lee pro 1000 it was one of the cheapest deals i could find.

I may check around and if i dont find a decent price on a progressive just get a rock chucker single stage for starting.
Oh, I hear you - but I used to have a Pro 1000 and while I *was* able to get it to run, it was far too temperamental and needed constant attention and tinkering. Worst press ever, and I'm far from alone in that opinion.

While I still have my Lyman single-stage for rifle ammo, don't ignore the middle option - the turret press. Lee actually makes a very good one (4 Hole Classic Turret Press) which isn't expensive - be aware that there are two versions: one with a squat cast-iron body and the other has a tall aluminum body.
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Post by rentz » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:32 pm

Thanks for the suggestions everyone, I'll be eyeing prices on progressive presses and maybe look into turrets as a cheaper option to start as well right now the hornandy and Dillon setups have the best reviews and pricing

Once I figure out my plan I might take you up on that offer for assistance richbirdhunter
We're both in Denton county as well


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Post by Richbirdhunter » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:33 pm

rentz wrote:Thanks for the suggestions everyone, I'll be eyeing prices on progressive presses and maybe look into turrets as a cheaper option to start as well right now the hornandy and Dillon setups have the best reviews and pricing

Once I figure out my plan I might take you up on that offer for assistance richbirdhunter
We're both in Denton county as well

You bet, happy to help
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