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Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:19 am
by kde71450
New to guns and new to carry. Have just yesterday been comfortable enough to start carrying with a load in chamber. it has been said that these loads should be recycled (Separated from your regular carry ammo, and shot at range with your range ammo) BUT How long can i keep the load in the chamber (24 hours , couple of days, weeks, months?) I really don't know! :headscratch

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:21 am
by daniel2002p
What I think you have been reading is that the bullet should not be racked into the chamber more than a few times to prevent bullet setback which could be pretty dangerous. I am pretty sure you can leave it in there for every (mine has been in the chamber for about 3 months now), just make sure that you check it before racking it back in to make sure that the bullet has not settled into the casing more than the rest of the bullets.

--Daniel

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:32 am
by Zen
What Daniel said...

Also, if you're not comfortable with carrying a round in the chamber, I think it is best for you to get more range time and comfort with the pistol of choice. You must feel confident and competent in your pistol, but also in your ability to carry and deploy it.

If you have DAO or DA/SA pistol, that's fairly straightforward.

If you have a SAO, then you have a 5 options, but really only two choices when it comes to personal defense.

Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down - Not recommended for personal defense
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down - Not recommended for personal defense
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off - Not recommended safety reasons

I just recently bought my first SAO pistol. Though I have been around firearms for a very long time, I was new to this type of pistol. I practiced with snap caps, carrying, drawing, deploying (move safety off and firing), and decocking. Decocking the loaded pistol is not that difficult, but I believe should definitely be practiced and done with clear focus on the task.

Understanding how your safety (if any) works, will also give you some confidence.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:33 am
by george
daniel2002p wrote:What I think you have been reading is that the bullet should not be racked into the chamber more than a few times to prevent bullet setback which could be pretty dangerous. I am pretty sure you can leave it in there for every (mine has been in the chamber for about 3 months now), just make sure that you check it before racking it back in to make sure that the bullet has not settled into the casing more than the rest of the bullets.

--Daniel
ditto that

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:26 pm
by couzin
daniel2002p wrote:What I think you have been reading is that the bullet should not be racked into the chamber more than a few times to prevent bullet setback which could be pretty dangerous. I am pretty sure you can leave it in there for every (mine has been in the chamber for about 3 months now), just make sure that you check it before racking it back in to make sure that the bullet has not settled into the casing more than the rest of the bullets.

--Daniel
Yep - this. Remember - an unloaded gun is just a rock...!

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:40 pm
by fickman
Zen wrote:What Daniel said...

Also, if you're not comfortable with carrying a round in the chamber, I think it is best for you to get more range time and comfort with the pistol of choice. You must feel confident and competent in your pistol, but also in your ability to carry and deploy it.

If you have DAO or DA/SA pistol, that's fairly straightforward.

If you have a SAO, then you have a 5 options, but really only two choices when it comes to personal defense.

Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down - Not recommended for personal defense
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down - Not recommended for personal defense
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off - Not recommended safety reasons

I just recently bought my first SAO pistol. Though I have been around firearms for a very long time, I was new to this type of pistol. I practiced with snap caps, carrying, drawing, deploying (move safety off and firing), and decocking. Decocking the loaded pistol is not that difficult, but I believe should definitely be practiced and done with clear focus on the task.

Understanding how your safety (if any) works, will also give you some confidence.
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down
IMO, not recommended because very few single actions have a de-cocker. . . and a LOT of things can go wrong manually de-cocking a chambered firearm.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:24 pm
by texanjoker
I have carried chambered due to work for two plus decades. When I worked at a large dept they gave us new ammo every 6 months.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:40 pm
by carlson1
texanjoker wrote:I have carried chambered due to work for two plus decades. When I worked at a large dept they gave us new ammo every 6 months.
They give my son is giving new duty ammo every month. They expect them to shoot "duty ammo" through their service pistol every month. They have to log in at the range monthly.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:53 pm
by Dave2
fickman wrote:
Zen wrote:What Daniel said...

Also, if you're not comfortable with carrying a round in the chamber, I think it is best for you to get more range time and comfort with the pistol of choice. You must feel confident and competent in your pistol, but also in your ability to carry and deploy it.

If you have DAO or DA/SA pistol, that's fairly straightforward.

If you have a SAO, then you have a 5 options, but really only two choices when it comes to personal defense.

Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down - Not recommended for personal defense
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down - Not recommended for personal defense
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off - Not recommended safety reasons

I just recently bought my first SAO pistol. Though I have been around firearms for a very long time, I was new to this type of pistol. I practiced with snap caps, carrying, drawing, deploying (move safety off and firing), and decocking. Decocking the loaded pistol is not that difficult, but I believe should definitely be practiced and done with clear focus on the task.

Understanding how your safety (if any) works, will also give you some confidence.
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down
IMO, not recommended because very few single actions have a de-cocker. . . and a LOT of things can go wrong manually de-cocking a chambered firearm.
IIRC, some 1911s and some revolvers don't have a mechanism to prevent a dropped hammer from moving the firing pin, which in turn means the gun actually can go off by hitting it just right if the hammer is down and a round is chambered.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:14 pm
by texanjoker
carlson1 wrote:
texanjoker wrote:I have carried chambered due to work for two plus decades. When I worked at a large dept they gave us new ammo every 6 months.
They give my son is giving new duty ammo every month. They expect them to shoot "duty ammo" through their service pistol every month. They have to log in at the range monthly.

I wish... in CA we qualified quarterly. We did get practice ammo every month :thumbs2: I now work in TX and we qual yearly :smash: and get no practice ammo :nono:

I still shoot each month, but not all do.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:59 pm
by Fawbis
kde71450 wrote:New to guns and new to carry. Have just yesterday been comfortable enough to start carrying with a load in chamber. it has been said that these loads should be recycled (Separated from your regular carry ammo, and shot at range with your range ammo) BUT How long can i keep the load in the chamber (24 hours , couple of days, weeks, months?) I really don't know! :headscratch
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Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:33 pm
by tacticool
Zen wrote:Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down
At the risk of adding to the dog pile, this is not recommended for personal defense or any other reason with a traditional single action like a 1911 or BHP. As already mentioned, it's unnecessarily risky to put it into this state and it's no safer than cocked&locked if dropped, etc. When you need to put it into Condition 0 to shoot, there's a risk of ND when thumbing the hammer. Even worse, it's slower than racking the slide from Condition 3 for most shooters, because we have thousands (if not millions) of repetitions racking the slide with various handguns. Working the slide is also a gross motor skill, so it degrades less under stress.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:09 pm
by rockinar
kde71450 wrote:New to guns and new to carry. Have just yesterday been comfortable enough to start carrying with a load in chamber. it has been said that these loads should be recycled (Separated from your regular carry ammo, and shot at range with your range ammo) BUT How long can i keep the load in the chamber (24 hours , couple of days, weeks, months?) I really don't know! :headscratch

If you don't feel comfortable with one in the chamber, that means you don't have experience with the gun. Get some more range time with it and you will get more comfortable.

To answer your question, I would take it out every couple days. But I think it could probably stay in there for weeks to months.

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:19 pm
by trobson
I am pretty new hence the question. what is "Bullet setback"?

Thanks!

Charlie

Re: Carrying With One Loaded In Chamber (Question?)

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:31 pm
by george
On most pistols, as the slide begins coming forward, into battery, the lower face of the slide face pushes the back of the cartridge forward. At some point, the front of the cartride hits a feed ramp on the frame or barrel. So, the cartridge is being squeezed before it can enter the chamber. Depending upon the geometry of the pistol design, and the tension of the case on the bullet, the bullet can be pushed back into the case. When this happens, pressures rise. Most people try to minimize this by not putting the same cartridge through this procedure multiple times.