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Childrens Dallas???

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Post by TomV » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:33 am

Children's Dallas is not listed on 3006.com as being posted.

On their own website they state they are a primary teaching hospital for UTSW.

Do they need to post since they are a hospital? Or not since they are an educational facility?

If not due to their affiliation with UTSW, then how does the new upcoming campus carry law affect them?

This is getting way too convoluted.
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Post by tlt » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:50 pm

Now we all already know that Hospitals are off limits. Despite the oversight of the signage which you should inquire about. While I don't agree with the gun free zone, why does this keep coming up?

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Post by RoyGBiv » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:00 pm

tlt wrote:Now we all already know that Hospitals are off limits. Despite the oversight of the signage which you should inquire about. While I don't agree with the gun free zone, why does this keep coming up?
Because hospitals are NOT off limits unless posted 30.06/07
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Post by Pawpaw » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:08 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:
tlt wrote:Now we all already know that Hospitals are off limits. Despite the oversight of the signage which you should inquire about. While I don't agree with the gun free zone, why does this keep coming up?
Because hospitals are NOT off limits unless posted 30.06/07
:iagree: Right you are, Roy!

tlt, Why don't you cut & paste the law that says hospitals are off limits. Be sure to include everything down to paragraph (i) when you do. Thanks. :tiphat:
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Post by Ipconfig » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:45 pm

healthinsp wrote:Children's Dallas is not listed on 3006.com as being posted.

On their own website they state they are a primary teaching hospital for UTSW.

Do they need to post since they are a hospital? Or not since they are an educational facility?

If not due to their affiliation with UTSW, then how does the new upcoming campus carry law affect them?

This is getting way too convoluted.
I work for UTNE and we are an accredited college campus and I pretty sure UTSW is too. If so it is a college campus and will be off limits until next year. There are alot of internal emails about Campus Carry for next year and so far it seems they are going to comply as much as possible with the new laws.


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Post by txcharvel » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:15 pm

Ipconfig wrote:
healthinsp wrote:Children's Dallas is not listed on 3006.com as being posted.

On their own website they state they are a primary teaching hospital for UTSW.

Do they need to post since they are a hospital? Or not since they are an educational facility?

If not due to their affiliation with UTSW, then how does the new upcoming campus carry law affect them?

This is getting way too convoluted.
I work for UTNE and we are an accredited college campus and I pretty sure UTSW is too. If so it is a college campus and will be off limits until next year. There are alot of internal emails about Campus Carry for next year and so far it seems they are going to comply as much as possible with the new laws.
Children's is a teaching hospital for UTSW but it's not a campus or state owned facility. UTSW simply supplies the docs.

If it's posted, then no carry. Otherwise carry on.


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Post by tlt » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:59 pm

Pawpaw wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:08 pm
RoyGBiv wrote:
tlt wrote:Now we all already know that Hospitals are off limits. Despite the oversight of the signage which you should inquire about. While I don't agree with the gun free zone, why does this keep coming up?
Because hospitals are NOT off limits unless posted 30.06/07
:iagree: Right you are, Roy!

tlt, Why don't you cut & paste the law that says hospitals are off limits. Be sure to include everything down to paragraph (i) when you do. Thanks. :tiphat:
Sec. 46.035 creates offenses for carrying a handgun by a license holder on certain premises under certain conditions, including in plain view in a public place, at an institution of higher educationwhere it is prohibited, at a business that derives at least 51 percent of its income from alcohol sales, at a hospital or nursing facility, in an amusement park, or at a place of worship.An offense under this section is a class A misdemeanor, except if it occurred at a business deriving income from alcohol sales, it isa third-degree felony.

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Post by JustSomeOldGuy » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:09 pm

yes, BUT.....

from https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code ... 6-035.html
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06 or 30.07 .
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Post by C-dub » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:56 pm

tlt wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:59 pm
Pawpaw wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:08 pm
RoyGBiv wrote:
tlt wrote:Now we all already know that Hospitals are off limits. Despite the oversight of the signage which you should inquire about. While I don't agree with the gun free zone, why does this keep coming up?
Because hospitals are NOT off limits unless posted 30.06/07
:iagree: Right you are, Roy!

tlt, Why don't you cut & paste the law that says hospitals are off limits. Be sure to include everything down to paragraph (i) when you do. Thanks. :tiphat:
Sec. 46.035 creates offenses for carrying a handgun by a license holder on certain premises under certain conditions, including in plain view in a public place, at an institution of higher educationwhere it is prohibited, at a business that derives at least 51 percent of its income from alcohol sales, at a hospital or nursing facility, in an amusement park, or at a place of worship.An offense under this section is a class A misdemeanor, except if it occurred at a business deriving income from alcohol sales, it isa third-degree felony.
Keep reading. A little further down.
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Post by Tex1961 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:23 pm

C-dub wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:56 pm
tlt wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:59 pm
Pawpaw wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:08 pm
RoyGBiv wrote:
tlt wrote:Now we all already know that Hospitals are off limits. Despite the oversight of the signage which you should inquire about. While I don't agree with the gun free zone, why does this keep coming up?
Because hospitals are NOT off limits unless posted 30.06/07
:iagree: Right you are, Roy!

tlt, Why don't you cut & paste the law that says hospitals are off limits. Be sure to include everything down to paragraph (i) when you do. Thanks. :tiphat:
Sec. 46.035 creates offenses for carrying a handgun by a license holder on certain premises under certain conditions, including in plain view in a public place, at an institution of higher educationwhere it is prohibited, at a business that derives at least 51 percent of its income from alcohol sales, at a hospital or nursing facility, in an amusement park, or at a place of worship.An offense under this section is a class A misdemeanor, except if it occurred at a business deriving income from alcohol sales, it isa third-degree felony.
Keep reading. A little further down.
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06 or 30.07 .
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Post by ScottDLS » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:32 pm

Only 3 1/2 years for OP to revive the topic...not even close to the record for post necromancy. :yawn
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Post by crazy2medic » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:44 pm

I can only speak for the ambulance entry at Dallas childrens hospital, it is posted sorta, the ambulance bay on the back wall prior to entry has a huge sign where they have combined the wording of both 06 and 07 into one sign, making both invalid by Texas Law, I'd laugh everytime I saw it!
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Post by C-dub » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:47 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:32 pm
Only 3 1/2 years for OP to revive the topic...not even close to the record for post necromancy. :yawn
And 3.5 years later tlt still hasn’t read any further down and thinks that hospitals are automatically off limits. :roll:
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Post by tlt » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:30 pm

Sorry, I've been busy and don't live on the forum. Instead of being difficult, or worse, why not simply spell it out :rules:

Sorry it took 3 years, I've been busy, and when I logged in I had a notice, so I didn't pay much attention to the date. The hospital and virtually every Hospital or Medical facility is clearly posted 30.06 and 30.07. So as an RN, my wife is out of luck without express written permission.

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Post by Mel » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:07 pm

tlt wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:30 pm
The hospital and virtually every Hospital or Medical facility is clearly posted 30.06 and 30.07. So as an RN, my wife is out of luck without express written permission.
Sorry, but I have been to several Medical buildings in the north Dallas area that are not posted and I carry there on a regular basis.
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