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Re: Texas State Capitol

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jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
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jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
No such provision is required. When a license is required to engage in an activity, it is within the scope of an officer's authority to verify that the license is valid. That applies to a driver's license, pilot license, LTC, my Bar Card (attorney), etc.

Escorting him to the tax office, waiting, then escorting him out is over the top. We need to create a specific civil cause of action for harassment by a government official.

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Re: Texas State Capitol

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Glockster wrote:
jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
No such provision is required. When a license is required to engage in an activity, it is within the scope of an officer's authority to verify that the license is valid. That applies to a driver's license, pilot license, LTC, my Bar Card (attorney), etc.

Escorting him to the tax office, waiting, then escorting him out is over the top. We need to create a specific civil cause of action for harassment by a government official.

Chas.

I kinda assumed that was the case, and my actual point was more in line with your better stated "over the top" comment. :tiphat:
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Carried at the Capitol yesterday. The kiddos got to see all the rooms and my wife and I were impressed (again) with the ornate architecture. That building really is quite impressive.

One quick swipe of the LTC card to verify it was active and I was in. Quite nice, actually...

My brother's jaw practically hit the floor when I told him.

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Unless you show up on the Capitol ground looking to create a conflict with an OC protest or are rude with the Capitol/DPS officers your odds of having a negative interaction are somewhere between slim and none.

I've dealt with every level of local, county, state, and federal LEA in the state with probably 95% or more completely enjoyable encounters.

Be polite, professional, can courteous at all times with LEO's and even the few sour old grouches that never should have been allowed to even put on a badge will have to treat you with respect.
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WildRose wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:40 pm Unless you show up on the Capitol ground looking to create a conflict with an OC protest or are rude with the Capitol/DPS officers your odds of having a negative interaction are somewhere between slim and none.

I've dealt with every level of local, county, state, and federal LEA in the state with probably 95% or more completely enjoyable encounters.

Be polite, professional, can courteous at all times with LEO's and even the few sour old grouches that never should have been allowed to even put on a badge will have to treat you with respect.
This has been my experience during several trips to the capitol grounds. I live near and work in our capital city, so it is easier for me to visit. I've done so on several occasions with my wife and/or children. Last year, before my wife retired from the Teacher Retirement System, if I was early in picking her up I would visit the Texas Capitol Visitors Center. Never any real issues. Once, the folks at the metal detector for non-LTCs spoke up as I passed them. I just waved my LTC and kept going to the other detector. Next time, I went in the door closest to the LTC entry.
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oljames3 wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:58 am
WildRose wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:40 pm Unless you show up on the Capitol ground looking to create a conflict with an OC protest or are rude with the Capitol/DPS officers your odds of having a negative interaction are somewhere between slim and none.

I've dealt with every level of local, county, state, and federal LEA in the state with probably 95% or more completely enjoyable encounters.

Be polite, professional, can courteous at all times with LEO's and even the few sour old grouches that never should have been allowed to even put on a badge will have to treat you with respect.
This has been my experience during several trips to the capitol grounds. I live near and work in our capital city, so it is easier for me to visit. I've done so on several occasions with my wife and/or children. Last year, before my wife retired from the Teacher Retirement System, if I was early in picking her up I would visit the Texas Capitol Visitors Center. Never any real issues. Once, the folks at the metal detector for non-LTCs spoke up as I passed them. I just waved my LTC and kept going to the other detector. Next time, I went in the door closest to the LTC entry.
They seem to have every entry set up for LTC'ers now. Quite nice actually.

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Re: Texas State Capitol

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Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:27 am
Glockster wrote:
jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
No such provision is required. When a license is required to engage in an activity, it is within the scope of an officer's authority to verify that the license is valid. That applies to a driver's license, pilot license, LTC, my Bar Card (attorney), etc.

Escorting him to the tax office, waiting, then escorting him out is over the top. We need to create a specific civil cause of action for harassment by a government official.

Chas.
That is how the Nueces County Appraisal District is handling LTC property owners when they come in to speak with an appraiser. I was escorted the entire time I was there. Not by the offduty PD security but by the armed private security guard. I had to wait for the guard to come back and escort me or disarm before they would let me go upstairs. Ridiculous. I informed the AG office about the situation. Not going to hold my breathe on it but things really do need to change.

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roadkill wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:15 am
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:27 am
Glockster wrote:
jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
No such provision is required. When a license is required to engage in an activity, it is within the scope of an officer's authority to verify that the license is valid. That applies to a driver's license, pilot license, LTC, my Bar Card (attorney), etc.

Escorting him to the tax office, waiting, then escorting him out is over the top. We need to create a specific civil cause of action for harassment by a government official.

Chas.
That is how the Nueces County Appraisal District is handling LTC property owners when they come in to speak with an appraiser. I was escorted the entire time I was there. Not by the offduty PD security but by the armed private security guard. I had to wait for the guard to come back and escort me or disarm before they would let me go upstairs. Ridiculous. I informed the AG office about the situation. Not going to hold my breathe on it but things really do need to change.
There is something wrong on a very basic and fundamental level when gov't feels free to treat a law biding citizen as though they are a threat to public safety simply for exercising their rights.

If those people cannot do their jobs without living in fear of the people they serve they need to look for different employment opportunities.
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Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:27 am
Glockster wrote:
jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
No such provision is required. When a license is required to engage in an activity, it is within the scope of an officer's authority to verify that the license is valid. That applies to a driver's license, pilot license, LTC, my Bar Card (attorney), etc.

Escorting him to the tax office, waiting, then escorting him out is over the top. We need to create a specific civil cause of action for harassment by a government official.

Chas.
Two years and a full legislative session has come and gone since this. The legislature had the opportunity and did nothing to give victims recourse in the courts. Not to act is to act. The incumbents condoned this abuse of power.

For years we tried the soap box.
The incumbents deny justice in the jury box.
The next step is to vote against them at the ballot box.

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drjoker wrote: Tue May 31, 2016 11:06 am Why the shock? That's what liberty is: equal treatment for the rich, powerful, and the regular joes. If state lawmakers can carry, then we should be able to carry. There is a law on the books in Washington DC that says lawmakers are exempt from gun regulations and that they can carry when, where, and whatever they want. That is NOT liberty. That's why I live in Texas.

Yahoo news: (D.C.) Capitol Police say it is allowable for members of Congress to keep guns in their offices and to transport them as well, However, civilians are NOT allowed to CC in D.C. (There's a law that says members of congress are exempt from gun laws.) That's why Sen. Feinstein, veteran gun banner says she no longer has a San Francisco gun license. What she fails to tell you is that because of this exemption law, she no longer needs a license and she is still carrying her 38. cal snub nosed revolver. BTW, she used to own the ONLY San Francisco gun license in existence. The police chief of San Francisco has only approved for her to have a gun license at the time. This is NOT liberty.

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Re: Texas State Capitol

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bigtek wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:40 pm
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:27 am
Glockster wrote:
jb2012 wrote:Sounds lik it's easier to carry at the capitol, than Hays Co Government building. Went there the other day and they made me wait 10 minutes while they "ran" my ltc and then proceeded to follow me to the tax office, wait outside for me to leave, and then followed me to the door. Kind of ridiculous.

I guess that I must have missed the provision in the law that allows them to "run" a LTC when presented with a valid LTC? :tiphat:
No such provision is required. When a license is required to engage in an activity, it is within the scope of an officer's authority to verify that the license is valid. That applies to a driver's license, pilot license, LTC, my Bar Card (attorney), etc.

Escorting him to the tax office, waiting, then escorting him out is over the top. We need to create a specific civil cause of action for harassment by a government official.

Chas.
Two years and a full legislative session has come and gone since this. The legislature had the opportunity and did nothing to give victims recourse in the courts. Not to act is to act. The incumbents condoned this abuse of power.

For years we tried the soap box.
The incumbents deny justice in the jury box.
The next step is to vote against them at the ballot box.

:mad5
It was reasonable to give local/county govt's time to adjust to the new law and for the law to be clarified.

We're now past that time and we need new legislation to punish the individuals responsible for the policies that violate the law and our rights, no more limited immunity period.
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WildRose wrote: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:09 am
bigtek wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:40 pm Two years and a full legislative session has come and gone since this. The legislature had the opportunity and did nothing to give victims recourse in the courts. Not to act is to act. The incumbents condoned this abuse of power.

For years we tried the soap box.
The incumbents deny justice in the jury box.
The next step is to vote against them at the ballot box.

:mad5
It was reasonable to give local/county govt's time to adjust to the new law and for the law to be clarified.

We're now past that time and we need new legislation to punish the individuals responsible for the policies that violate the law and our rights, no more limited immunity period.
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The legislature had plenty of opportunity to fix the law if they cared about the rights of Texans.

The TX AG had plenty of opportunity to make an example of a municipal "bad apple" using the current law.

In two months, we should use the ballot box to express our displeasure at incumbents who don't protect our rights.

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bigtek wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:21 pmThe legislature had plenty of opportunity to fix the law if they cared about the rights of Texans.

The TX AG had plenty of opportunity to make an example of a municipal "bad apple" using the current law.

In two months, we should use the ballot box to express our displeasure at incumbents who don't protect our rights.
The time for this was during the primaries. To actually do this now would mean putting more Democrats into office. As frustrating as RINO's can be, that's not an acceptable alternative especially when it comes to 2A rights.

With Straus out of the way, maybe we'll see more movement on these issues this session. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm not willing to vote for a Democrat either.
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My votes this year will be based on their votes last year. Or lack of votes, as the case may be. It's only fair.

No guns? No money. No votes.
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