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Post by locke_n_load » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:19 am

All, I have student here in Houston who is having a hard time with his personal life. He has told me he needs to speak with someone professionally about it, and at the same time, he does not want to go to someone who is anti-2A and potentially lose his right to carry (not exactly easy to figure out who stands where as far as doctors go). He is not a danger to himself or others, just needs to get some things worked out. Does anyone know of any Psychologists/Psychiatrists in the Houston area who meet this criteria?
Any help is appreciated, thanks.
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:11 am

locke_n_load wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:19 am
All, I have student here in Houston who is having a hard time with his personal life. He has told me he needs to speak with someone professionally about it, and at the same time, he does not want to go to someone who is anti-2A and potentially lose his right to carry (not exactly easy to figure out who stands where as far as doctors go). He is not a danger to himself or others, just needs to get some things worked out. Does anyone know of any Psychologists/Psychiatrists in the Houston area who meet this criteria?
Any help is appreciated, thanks.
I don’t know specifically, but there is a possible alternative. Does he have a pastor? If not, is he willing to find one? Maybe that’s all he needs. Failing that, there are a couple of licensed counselors I could recommend in my area whom I am fairly certain would not try and take his guns, but I’m nowhere near Houston.
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Post by BBYC » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:31 pm

Why would the subject even come up unless the patient brought it up? Anyway, if he's not looking for drugs, he can talk things out in a wide variety of counseling. The faith based approach if good if he leans that way. If he is a college student, many schools have counselors with experience helping young adults cope with stress related to school, life changes, etc.
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Post by bblhd672 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:35 pm

BBYC wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:31 pm
Why would the subject even come up unless the patient brought it up? Anyway, if he's not looking for drugs, he can talk things out in a wide variety of counseling. The faith based approach if good if he leans that way. If he is a college student, many schools have counselors with experience helping young adults cope with stress related to school, life changes, etc.
Using counselors associated with the education system is likely to end him up on the very lists he doesn’t want to be on.

Much better off with a faith based counselor who is vetted for 2nd Amendment views in advance.


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Post by Rob72 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:48 am

BBYC wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:31 pm
Why would the subject even come up unless the patient brought it up? Anyway, if he's not looking for drugs, he can talk things out in a wide variety of counseling. The faith based approach if good if he leans that way. If he is a college student, many schools have counselors with experience helping young adults cope with stress related to school, life changes, etc.
It's a standard addition to many "harm" rating scales, of late. It depends entirely on the assessor's personal feelings towards firearms, as the question has evolved from, "Do you have the means to harm yourself (or others)?", to, "Do you have firearms in your home?"

Overall, my point would be that if you don't agree on this fairly fundamental issue, how much help can you receive from a therapist whose philosophy is diametrically opposed to yours?

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:20 am

Rob72 wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:48 am
BBYC wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:31 pm
Why would the subject even come up unless the patient brought it up? Anyway, if he's not looking for drugs, he can talk things out in a wide variety of counseling. The faith based approach if good if he leans that way. If he is a college student, many schools have counselors with experience helping young adults cope with stress related to school, life changes, etc.
It's a standard addition to many "harm" rating scales, of late. It depends entirely on the assessor's personal feelings towards firearms, as the question has evolved from, "Do you have the means to harm yourself (or others)?", to, "Do you have firearms in your home?"

Overall, my point would be that if you don't agree on this fairly fundamental issue, how much help can you receive from a therapist whose philosophy is diametrically opposed to yours?
Exactly why I proposed a faith-based alternative. Yes, it might still require some 2A vetting, but if the subject has a belief in God (or Allah, or G*d, or however they see the deity), he or she might be better served by choosing a counselor who at least operates in the same world that the subject does, and who has many of the same social and cultural filters as the subject.
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Post by OldCurlyWolf » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:26 am

Rob72 wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:48 am
BBYC wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:31 pm
Why would the subject even come up unless the patient brought it up? Anyway, if he's not looking for drugs, he can talk things out in a wide variety of counseling. The faith based approach if good if he leans that way. If he is a college student, many schools have counselors with experience helping young adults cope with stress related to school, life changes, etc.
It's a standard addition to many "harm" rating scales, of late. It depends entirely on the assessor's personal feelings towards firearms, as the question has evolved from, "Do you have the means to harm yourself (or others)?", to, "Do you have firearms in your home?"

Overall, my point would be that if you don't agree on this fairly fundamental issue, how much help can you receive from a therapist whose philosophy is diametrically opposed to yours?
If you are human, reasonably physically healthy, have a working mind, you have the means to harm yourself or others. No firearms or other "Weapons" needed.

VERY STUPID question. (Comment NOT aimed at Rob72)
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Post by Rob72 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:01 pm

LOL! Not offended in the least! :mrgreen:

I've worked in conjunction with mental health for a good bit of my career, and an awful lot of it is absolute crap. However, depending on where the person you're interviewing is, mentally, it can be a valid gut-check. I.e., I know you feel despair, but let's talk through this and see if you've really created a plan, or if you haven't thought it through enough to have identified the means, yet. Like all things, people who have been in the system can game it, but asking these questions, and reading body language, affect, vocal tone and eye-movement is about the best you can do.

It can be a legal nightmare for counselor, as some things MUST be reported, but if they feel it will have worse long-term consequences for the individual, any decision not to report is a HUGE risk.

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Post by SQLGeek » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:21 pm

I might have a source on another forum. Give me a few and I'll see what I can find.
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Post by rotor » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:56 pm

The problem I see you getting yourself in here is that possibly you may be contributing to someone breaking the law by directing to a mental health worker that wont give a disqualifying diagnosis for a LTC. If the guy needs psychiatric care he should get it and it may disqualify him from an LTC. Be careful for yourself on this.


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Post by WildRose » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:14 am

locke_n_load wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:19 am
All, I have student here in Houston who is having a hard time with his personal life. He has told me he needs to speak with someone professionally about it, and at the same time, he does not want to go to someone who is anti-2A and potentially lose his right to carry (not exactly easy to figure out who stands where as far as doctors go). He is not a danger to himself or others, just needs to get some things worked out. Does anyone know of any Psychologists/Psychiatrists in the Houston area who meet this criteria?
Any help is appreciated, thanks.
The first thing that comes to mind is any qualified member of the clergy whether the person is religious or not.

Unfortunately as professions both psychology and psychiatry on the whole are very anti gun rights.

Of course if you can find one that flies an NRA, USCCA, or similar logo you're probably in good hands.

Another good source might be to contact one of the local police department chaplains/psychologists/psychiatrists for a recommendation or your family doctor.

Even your local GP or PA has some basic training in psychology/psychiatry as part of a basic medical education. You don't necessarily need a specialist unless a problem is identified that requires it.
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Post by WildRose » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:21 am

BBYC wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:31 pm
Why would the subject even come up unless the patient brought it up? Anyway, if he's not looking for drugs, he can talk things out in a wide variety of counseling. The faith based approach if good if he leans that way. If he is a college student, many schools have counselors with experience helping young adults cope with stress related to school, life changes, etc.
Just because of the overall leftwing environment permeating educational institutions I would avoid utilizing the MH resources on campus.

This thread opens up a great avenue for discussion though on the subject.

Routinely when mass shooter's histories are dissected and many if not most violent criminals in general we find a long history of "mental health issues" that were known to friends, family, people at work, school faculty/staff etc and in many cases even LE. Many of them had prior contact with MH pro's directly related to prior incidents as well but most often they were never adjudicated, never committed etc.

In many cases we find that various diversions were done whereby to expedite getting someone into a treatment program they are allowed to do so "voluntarily" without a court order as a way of making the case go away.

We need to find a way to address this very real need for better and more easily available treatment without putting those at highest risk in a position to where they feel it necessary to choose between their rights and getting help.

Many in this country today would render anyone ineligible to keep and bear simply because at some point in their lives they'd been prescribed a drug, even for other reasons, that is used to treat emotional conditions or addiction.

If there's a more appropriate place here to start a new thread on that subject it would make for a great discussion opportunity.
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Post by WildRose » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:53 am

Rob72 wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:01 pm
LOL! Not offended in the least! :mrgreen:

I've worked in conjunction with mental health for a good bit of my career, and an awful lot of it is absolute crap. However, depending on where the person you're interviewing is, mentally, it can be a valid gut-check. I.e., I know you feel despair, but let's talk through this and see if you've really created a plan, or if you haven't thought it through enough to have identified the means, yet. Like all things, people who have been in the system can game it, but asking these questions, and reading body language, affect, vocal tone and eye-movement is about the best you can do.

It can be a legal nightmare for counselor, as some things MUST be reported, but if they feel it will have worse long-term consequences for the individual, any decision not to report is a HUGE risk.
More than the professional and legal problems MHP's can find themselves in I truly pity those who have treated people that later went on to prove to be murderous monsters.

That's got to a terrible thing to live with.
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