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rdcrags wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:44 am A suggestion: If someone tells you they are against concealed carry because the carrier doesn’t have enough training and therefore creates a hazardous situation, ask them to take this test: You are in a store with your two kids and a BG enters and starts shooting at people indiscriminately, walking in your direction. A man to your right draws a concealed handgun and points it toward the BG. Will you yell “Don’t shoot! You don’t have enough training! You may hit a bystander!”? Or, will you yell “Stop him! Stop him! He’ll kill us all!”?

Jago668 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:22 pm I always ask, "Would having as much training as a police officer be enough?". Considering I've had as much training as they get in most police academies, and practice weekly.

AJSully421 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:08 am Psychological Projection is the most common psychological phenomenon in humans.

Nearly every anti-gunner that I have ever know and had some sort of relationship with who says something about non-LEO carrying and either "snapping" or just shooting someone for no reason, that individual has had a temper, or has otherwise shown themselves to not be able to control their emotions. They are projecting their lack of basic discipline onto me and everyone else who carries.

Next is the "lack of training", which for someone who has never fired a gun, it is pretty easy for them to think that it is nearly impossible to hit a bad guy under stress. I remember watching a documentary that was set in Desert Storm when I was around 14-15, and some guy hits some Iraqis at around 300 yards with an M16 with irons only. I had fired an AR once at that point, and only at around 100 yards, and could barely keep rounds on a B27 target, so for a soldier to be able to do this at 300 seemed super-human to me. Now, 20 years later, and with lots of practice, I can hit an 12" plate at 300 with irons all day long. I think that someone who has never fired a gun will always feel like I did at 14.

So basically, ignorance mixed with projection, and a big helping of emotional problems on top... and that is how you get an anti-gunner.

rdcrags wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:44 am A suggestion: If someone tells you they are against concealed carry because the carrier doesn’t have enough training and therefore creates a hazardous situation, ask them to take this test: You are in a store with your two kids and a BG enters and starts shooting at people indiscriminately, walking in your direction. A man to your right draws a concealed handgun and points it toward the BG. Will you yell “Don’t shoot! You don’t have enough training! You may hit a bystander!”? Or, will you yell “Stop him! Stop him! He’ll kill us all!”?

rdcrags wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:44 am A suggestion: If someone tells you they are against concealed carry because the carrier doesn’t have enough training and therefore creates a hazardous situation, ask them to take this test: You are in a store with your two kids and a BG enters and starts shooting at people indiscriminately, walking in your direction. A man to your right draws a concealed handgun and points it toward the BG. Will you yell “Don’t shoot! You don’t have enough training! You may hit a bystander!”? Or, will you yell “Stop him! Stop him! He’ll kill us all!”?

Grundy1133 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:39 am i had a conversation at work yesterday about a popular trampoline park. I told the guy that I didn't like that place because they didn't allow people to carry. and he said "Well what do you need a gun at a trampoline park for anyway?" I said "The same reason they have fire extinguishers. You don't need them until you do." He shut up after that and the lady that was standing there thought for a minute and said "He has a point..."