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06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:06 pm
by LDB415
Can a single sign be used for both 06 and 07 in a single wording or does each one need it's own individual sign to be valid? IOW, Pursuant to 30.06 & 30.07 etc etc exactly like that, not a really large single sign with Pursuant to 30.06 etc. and below that Pursuant to 30.07 etc..

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:13 pm
by LucasMcCain
As the wording requirements are extremely specific, changing the wording by combining the two signs would make the sign non-compliant. That said, IANAL, and a case like this has not gone to court to my knowledge. If possible, I would take my business elsewhere when faced with a sign like you describe. If not possible, I would probably carry concealed past it. Under no circumstances would I point out to the owners that the sign is wrong. Hope this helps.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:18 pm
by Pawpaw
:iagree: with Lucas. That doesn't stop some places from trying...

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This pic is from the Baylor hospital in Rockwall.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:15 pm
by TexanVeteran
Pawpaw wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:18 pm
:iagree: with Lucas. That doesn't stop some places from trying...

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This pic is from the Baylor hospital in Rockwall.
I don't believe that this sign is enforceable as the wording is not even in contrasting colors, and it is not specific to the requirments of 30.06 and 30.07. However, I would not challenge it before getting legal advice on the matter. Perhaps there is an organization that can help (make them) follow the requirements set forth in the legislation.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:31 pm
by Soccerdad1995
TexanVeteran wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:15 pm
Pawpaw wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:18 pm
:iagree: with Lucas. That doesn't stop some places from trying...

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This pic is from the Baylor hospital in Rockwall.
I don't believe that this sign is enforceable as the wording is not even in contrasting colors, and it is not specific to the requirments of 30.06 and 30.07. However, I would not challenge it before getting legal advice on the matter. Perhaps there is an organization that can help (make them) follow the requirements set forth in the legislation.
I agree with not "challenging" the sign. I would simply carry, as normal, if I chose to visit such a location. I'm assuming that your use of the word "challenge" here would involve something along the lines of talking to the property owners about whether their sign is valid. That is always a terrible idea. If a sign meets the requirements of 30.06 or 30.07 then it is valid. If it doesn't, then it is precisely the same as there being no sign at all.

Why would anyone want an organization to "make" a company follow the requirements of 30.06 / 30.07? Frankly, I'm not even sure what you mean by this. The company in question had an option to post a valid sign. But they chose not to do so. That is perfectly legal and allowable. There is no "requirement" for anyone to post valid 30.06 / 30.07 signage, as far as I know.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:01 pm
by oohrah
That one really surprises me, because all the Baylor S&W places in Waco are valid posted.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:07 pm
by jmorris
Pawpaw wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:18 pm
:iagree: with Lucas. That doesn't stop some places from trying...

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This pic is from the Baylor hospital in Rockwall.
I thought Security Service Federal Credit Union was the only one trying to get away with that sign. Wonder if some sign company is pushing that.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:16 pm
by C-dub
Pawpaw wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:18 pm
:iagree: with Lucas. That doesn't stop some places from trying...

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This pic is from the Baylor hospital in Rockwall.
Texas Health Resouces hospital, not Baylor S&W.


Logo is different and check the mat.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:21 pm
by crazy2medic
I know that the Emergency room entrance for Dallas Children's Hospital is one big combined 06/07 making it very invalid!

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:30 pm
by Soccerdad1995
crazy2medic wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:21 pm
I know that the Emergency room entrance for Dallas Children's Hospital is one big combined 06/07 making it very invalid!
You gotta love invalid signs. Some of them are very cute, indeed. I saw an interesting sign on a recent trip that said "firearms are not permitted on these premises". I took that to mean exactly what it said, that the firearms present at that location did not have "permits".

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:38 pm
by crazy2medic
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:30 pm
crazy2medic wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:21 pm
I know that the Emergency room entrance for Dallas Children's Hospital is one big combined 06/07 making it very invalid!
You gotta love invalid signs. Some of them are very cute, indeed. I saw an interesting sign on a recent trip that said "firearms are not permitted on these premises". I took that to mean exactly what it said, that the firearms present at that location did not have "permits".
What they meant was you couldn't get a permit for a firearm there.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:11 pm
by Soccerdad1995
crazy2medic wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:38 pm
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:30 pm
crazy2medic wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:21 pm
I know that the Emergency room entrance for Dallas Children's Hospital is one big combined 06/07 making it very invalid!
You gotta love invalid signs. Some of them are very cute, indeed. I saw an interesting sign on a recent trip that said "firearms are not permitted on these premises". I took that to mean exactly what it said, that the firearms present at that location did not have "permits".
What they meant was you couldn't get a permit for a firearm there.
Yes, that does make more sense now that I look at the exact wording.

Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:18 pm
by rtschl
Here's one that would be correct - a single sign with verbiage of both on it. I wish it was required if posting both: One yuge big sign with all four correct verbiages.

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Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:19 pm
by rtschl
rtschl wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:18 pm
Here's one that would be correct - a single sign with verbiage of both on it. I wish it was required if posting both: One yuge big sign with all four (English and Spanish) correct verbiages.

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Re: 06 / 07 on same sign?

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:17 pm
by imkopaka
LDB415 wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:06 pm
Can a single sign be used for both 06 and 07 in a single wording or does each one need it's own individual sign to be valid? IOW, Pursuant to 30.06 & 30.07 etc etc exactly like that, not a really large single sign with Pursuant to 30.06 etc. and below that Pursuant to 30.07 etc..
The law states what the sign must have, but does not state anything it cannot have. As long as the requirements are met (all wording is exact, block letters at least 1" high, contrasting colors, etc) it is valid, even if they combine the two into one sign - that combined sign is still "a sign posted on the property that: (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish; (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height;  and (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public," even though it also has the other language. In the same way, they can add a title ("firearms prohibited," "concealed carry prohibited," etc), a gunbuster logo, their company logo, etc. As long as it meets the other requirements, it passes.