Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by LeonCarr » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:35 pm

Is an attacking dog capable of inflicting death or serious bodily injury?

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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by imkopaka » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:55 pm

LeonCarr wrote:
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Is an attacking dog capable of inflicting death or serious bodily injury?

Just my .02,
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(46) "Serious bodily injury" means bodily injury that creates a substantial risk of death or that causes death, serious permanent disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ.
Can a dog bite on the arm cause permanent loss of function to the hand? Can a dog mauling your face cause serious permanent disfigurement? I won't post pictures because they're gory and would probably violate forum rules, but the short answer is YES: an attacking dog is ABSOLUTELY capable of inflicting death or serious bodily injury.
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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by Caliber » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 am

The quote above of Serious Bodily Injury is a definition from Penal Code Chapter 1. But the laws sometime refer to an "actor" (causing serious bodily injury) which by definition is a person, not a dog. And, a "person" can be an individual, corporation, or association.


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Post by imkopaka » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:44 pm

Caliber wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 am
The quote above of Serious Bodily Injury is a definition from Penal Code Chapter 1. But the laws sometime refer to an "actor" (causing serious bodily injury) which by definition is a person, not a dog. And, a "person" can be an individual, corporation, or association.
I'm curious to see where you got your definition of "actor" from. I can think of no reason why a dog cannot be the actor in an attack.
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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by Caliber » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:38 pm

imkopaka wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:44 pm
Caliber wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 am
The quote above of Serious Bodily Injury is a definition from Penal Code Chapter 1. But the laws sometime refer to an "actor" (causing serious bodily injury) which by definition is a person, not a dog. And, a "person" can be an individual, corporation, or association.
I'm curious to see where you got your definition of "actor" from. I can think of no reason why a dog cannot be the actor in an attack.
If you look at Penal Code Chapter 1 where you found the def of Serious Bodily Injury, it states:
(2) "Actor" means a person whose criminal responsibility is in issue in a criminal action. Whenever the term "suspect" is used in this code, it means "actor."
(38) "Person" means an individual, corporation, or association.

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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by Liberty » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:52 am

imkopaka wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:44 pm
Caliber wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 am
The quote above of Serious Bodily Injury is a definition from Penal Code Chapter 1. But the laws sometime refer to an "actor" (causing serious bodily injury) which by definition is a person, not a dog. And, a "person" can be an individual, corporation, or association.
I'm curious to see where you got your definition of "actor" from. I can think of no reason why a dog cannot be the actor in an attack.
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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by nightmare69 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:05 am

If any animal is threatening the life, health, or safety of you or your family, then you’re justified in stopping the threat be any means necessary. Good can of Fox Labs 5.3 OC spray works really well.
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Post by imkopaka » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:31 am

Darn legal definitions. In plain English "actor" simply means a participant in an action. :grumble
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Post by gamboolman » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:34 pm

Thanks for the replies....good stuff.

My mind was made up near to 40 years ago regarding dogs. I was roughnecking one summer and staying with my old widow great aunt in Buffalo, Texas. I got home from the rig one night after the 12 hours.

A big mean Doberman right next door had got out and knocked a little girl off her bike and pinned her to the ground. The dog did not bite her but it was bad.

I was biding my time after that till that dog got loose again....never happened.

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Re: Dog attack in St. Petersburg - OK to Shoot Attacking Dog ?

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Post by gamboolman » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:46 pm

Here's a new one on why we should be carrying with big dogs around. No one had a decent weapon to assist the Mail Man :banghead:

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