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Bringing Firearm to Medical building to sell

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Post by Tex1961 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:44 am

The MOB (Medical Office Building) which is attached to a local hospital is of course posted 06/07... However my doctor is very much interested in learning to shoot and possibly acquire his first handgun.... We are working on getting him to the range... So my question is, I want to bring him a firearm to look at... We're talking unloaded, in a case, in a nondescript box.... Would I be violating the posted signs... My personal opinion is YES.... I would be in violation.... I know, and it' crazy, I belong to this thing called a LTC/Firearm forum with lots of smart people.... ;-) who may be able to confirm or deny my assumptions......

Let me throw in a little back story here...

Approximately 6 months back I had a CT scan done and they detected a small spot on my Lung.... After a follow up scan it was determined that I probably needed to go in to have it removed.... Short version is that I did end up with Stage 1 Lung Cancer and they were able to completely remove the spot and I am 100% cancer free. No chemo, no radiation since it had not spread yet....

This process involved 2 different surgeons that work together... During my visit to the Lung Surgeon we were discussing the procedure, aftermath, recovery, etc.... Both a serious question and one that I figured might tweak him being a doctor, I mentioned my most pressing issue was that I wanted to know how long before I could get back to the gun range... (I go 4 - 5 times per month)... It ended up starting an entire conversation about firearms, LTC, everything... My wife was there and I showed him pictures of her shooting as well..... To my surprise he was very interested in all of this and I invited him to go to the range with me... (The other said surgeon is currently a member of Frisco Gun Club) so, easy enough there....

FINALLY THE END OF MY STORY.
Went for my 3 month follow up yesterday (Yes still 100% cancer free)... The Dr. walked into the exam room and first thing he did was make a finger gun and asked if I had been to the range yet and wanted to know when we could go.... He indicated that he and the other surgeon would most likely be contacting me for a video interview as as case study. They wanted to show the good side of early detection and a successful cancer story and show me back at the range living life and enjoying my hobbies....... Once the weather cools down we are going to schedule an outdoor visit and hopefully a new convert....

Sorry for the long post and thanks for reading......
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Post by imkopaka » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:46 am

YES. That would be illegal.
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Post by imkopaka » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:48 am

If you take it out of the case to show him, you are no longer carrying concealed or openly in a belt or shoulder holster, so you are therefore NOT carrying under the authority of LTC. At that point you may be guilty of unlawful carrying of weapons or possibly brandishing.
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Post by Mel » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:57 am

imkopaka wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:48 am
If you take it out of the case to show him, you are no longer carrying concealed or openly in a belt or shoulder holster, so you are therefore NOT carrying under the authority of LTC. At that point you may be guilty of unlawful carrying of weapons or possibly brandishing.
You are already guilty of unlawful carrying of a weapon once you pass the 30.06 sign.
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Post by ScottDLS » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:12 am

Mel wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:57 am
imkopaka wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:48 am
If you take it out of the case to show him, you are no longer carrying concealed or openly in a belt or shoulder holster, so you are therefore NOT carrying under the authority of LTC. At that point you may be guilty of unlawful carrying of weapons or possibly brandishing.
You are already guilty of unlawful carrying of a weapon once you pass the 30.06 sign.
No, you are guilty of trespass by a license to carry holder...unless you are a volunteer emergency responder or LEO.
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Post by RoyGBiv » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:02 am

Does the Doctor control the building? "Control" can be argued a lot of different ways, I know.
But... If the doctor is the one responsible for posting the sign, he can also give you permission to ignore them.

This is just my opinion. Not legal advice, since I am not a lawyer.
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Post by MaduroBU » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:13 am

They don't keep doctors chained in the basement after clinic. At least not after residency.

Meet the guy at a range.

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Post by Lynyrd » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:06 am

RoyGBiv wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:02 am
Does the Doctor control the building? "Control" can be argued a lot of different ways, I know.
But... If the doctor is the one responsible for posting the sign, he can also give you permission to ignore them.

This is just my opinion. Not legal advice, since I am not a lawyer.
This is the often forgotten part of 30.06/30.07. My place of employment is posted 30.06/30.07 but I CC there everyday. I have written permission from the owner. If the doctor has control over the building, and doesn't just rent space, he can give you permission. If not, you would be on shaky ground.
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Post by AndyC » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:13 am

Yeah, meet him elsewhere.
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Post by Tex1961 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:18 am

For what he charged me he certainly has enough to own the building.... But no... Just holds an office there..... This isn't a big deal and as I stated, I had assumed that it wouldn't be legal for me to bring one in..... There was an opportunity for me to see him before we hit the range together but not a big deal..... I also brought it up to the forum just because as a member, I like to read these "what if's" to get better educated as well... Plus with all of the negative from the medical community It's nice on occasion to hear doctors who are Pro 2a...... and are interested in the hobby....
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Post by MaduroBU » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:41 pm

Tex1961 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:18 am
For what he charged me he certainly has enough to own the building.... But no... Just holds an office there..... This isn't a big deal and as I stated, I had assumed that it wouldn't be legal for me to bring one in..... There was an opportunity for me to see him before we hit the range together but not a big deal..... I also brought it up to the forum just because as a member, I like to read these "what if's" to get better educated as well... Plus with all of the negative from the medical community It's nice on occasion to hear doctors who are Pro 2a...... and are interested in the hobby....
It used to be that everyone bought their own building and depreciated the value out of their revenues over 10 years. That was the path to wealth. That seems amazing until you run into a rough patch, your partner quits/moves/retires, or you want to take a vacation. Now a ton of us are salaried employees of giant corporations. An office manager that I don't directly pay cuts me a check every two weeks for work I did in a building that I couldn't hope to own. Times change.

Also, there are lots of docs who shoot. We're not as vocal as the people who want guns banned, but there are a lot of us. Physicians have a long history of contributing to the shooting sports, and despite the press many of us still do.


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Post by Tex1961 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:09 pm

MaduroBU wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:41 pm
Tex1961 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:18 am
For what he charged me he certainly has enough to own the building.... But no... Just holds an office there..... This isn't a big deal and as I stated, I had assumed that it wouldn't be legal for me to bring one in..... There was an opportunity for me to see him before we hit the range together but not a big deal..... I also brought it up to the forum just because as a member, I like to read these "what if's" to get better educated as well... Plus with all of the negative from the medical community It's nice on occasion to hear doctors who are Pro 2a...... and are interested in the hobby....
It used to be that everyone bought their own building and depreciated the value out of their revenues over 10 years. That was the path to wealth. That seems amazing until you run into a rough patch, your partner quits/moves/retires, or you want to take a vacation. Now a ton of us are salaried employees of giant corporations. An office manager that I don't directly pay cuts me a check every two weeks for work I did in a building that I couldn't hope to own. Times change.

Also, there are lots of docs who shoot. We're not as vocal as the people who want guns banned, but there are a lot of us. Physicians have a long history of contributing to the shooting sports, and despite the press many of us still do.
As a member of the Medical faternatny, I appreciate you chiming in.... Also as a follow up on your post about owning your own building, etc... My wife is a Director of Realestate development for a major Healthcare company that owns and manages MOB's (Medical Office Buildings) all around the country.... The rules and regulations set down by the Feds are so completed nowadays that it takes almost an entire legal department dedicated to just managing the leases and purchases as not to run afoul of any federal healthcare practice laws.... Crazy....
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Post by MaduroBU » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:49 pm

Tex1961 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:09 pm
MaduroBU wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:41 pm
Tex1961 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:18 am
For what he charged me he certainly has enough to own the building.... But no... Just holds an office there..... This isn't a big deal and as I stated, I had assumed that it wouldn't be legal for me to bring one in..... There was an opportunity for me to see him before we hit the range together but not a big deal..... I also brought it up to the forum just because as a member, I like to read these "what if's" to get better educated as well... Plus with all of the negative from the medical community It's nice on occasion to hear doctors who are Pro 2a...... and are interested in the hobby....
It used to be that everyone bought their own building and depreciated the value out of their revenues over 10 years. That was the path to wealth. That seems amazing until you run into a rough patch, your partner quits/moves/retires, or you want to take a vacation. Now a ton of us are salaried employees of giant corporations. An office manager that I don't directly pay cuts me a check every two weeks for work I did in a building that I couldn't hope to own. Times change.

Also, there are lots of docs who shoot. We're not as vocal as the people who want guns banned, but there are a lot of us. Physicians have a long history of contributing to the shooting sports, and despite the press many of us still do.
As a member of the Medical faternatny, I appreciate you chiming in.... Also as a follow up on your post about owning your own building, etc... My wife is a Director of Realestate development for a major Healthcare company that owns and manages MOB's (Medical Office Buildings) all around the country.... The rules and regulations set down by the Feds are so completed nowadays that it takes almost an entire legal department dedicated to just managing the leases and purchases as not to run afoul of any federal healthcare practice laws.... Crazy....
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Post by DXer » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 pm

So what part of Texas are you located? some of us might enjoy working with a physician who better understands us.


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Post by MaduroBU » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:06 pm

The medical center. But you do not want my services. If you get them, it is because something really bad has already happened to you.

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