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https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... ornia.html

Sacramento Business Journal compares cost difference between living in California and Texas.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-fran ... rida-study

SF hemorrhaging leftists leaving for Texas.

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I wonder how many people that are packing up and moving have figured out that if you voted differently, you won't have had to leave. Yes, I know that the big cities and their drone populations make a difference but if the participation rate of CA voters and approached 50%, they likely wouldn't have elected Newsom in the first place.
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In my daily work, I fingerprint a lot of California transplants to Texas. Virtually ALL of them are grateful to be here, and express disgust with California’s economic and gun policies. Out of all of them, I’ve only spoken to one who doesn’t like it here that much and wants to go back.....and she was kind of a useless hippie.

There’s no doubt that some liberals are moving here; but I have come to believe that we might have been taking counsel of our fears, and that the reality is that the largest number of them are coming here for the same reasons I did, and see Texas as a refuge from California's insanity.
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Another group of Californians staying there are those who are comfortably settled there. I have a good friend who is a high-level programmer with a nice 6-figure salary, in an LA suburb. They have a beautiful home on a beautiful street with manicured yards, palm trees, huge swimming pools, big covered patios looking out over the mountains, etc. They live a good life, completely insulated from all the California crap we read about. They like living in California "because they have many laws protecting consumers." I asked him about all the stuff I'm reading about people leaving, etc. and he just shrugs.
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The Annoyed Man wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:24 am In my daily work, I fingerprint a lot of California transplants to Texas. Virtually ALL of them are grateful to be here, and express disgust with California’s economic and gun policies. Out of all of them, I’ve only spoken to one who doesn’t like it here that much and wants to go back.....and she was kind of a useless hippie.

There’s no doubt that some liberals are moving here; but I have come to believe that we might have been taking counsel of our fears, and that the reality is that the largest number of them are coming here for the same reasons I did, and see Texas as a refuge from California's insanity.
at my work there's three people moved here from the PRK, they utterly hate everything that state represents.

Ask them about the prospect of this state engaging in secession, their answer? "it cannot happen fast enough"

One of them has a brother serving active duty AF, his response to the prospect of secession? Quote: " I hope they don't do that before I retire" meaning he does not want to miss out on that opportunity for freedom.

All of them understand the role voting, and the mindset behind those votes, played in what that state has turned into.

Myself I moved back here over a decade ago, after doing so and knowing what it takes to make a change such as that. I tend to think those who are doing likewise are of the mindset to escape the insanity of the entrenched democrat socialism.
I find it difficult to think someone who believes in what that state represents overall and agrees with such a thing would go to the length of leaving. Only those who have read the writing on the wall and realize the only option is to escape via leaving would deliberately uproot their lives and come here.

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wil wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:01 am

Myself I moved back here over a decade ago, after doing so and knowing what it takes to make a change such as that. I tend to think those who are doing likewise are of the mindset to escape the insanity of the entrenched democrat socialism.
I find it difficult to think someone who believes in what that state represents overall and agrees with such a thing would go to the length of leaving. Only those who have read the writing on the wall and realize the only option is to escape via leaving would deliberately uproot their lives and come here.
When I moved here in '88, it was a corporate relocation. Granted, I was doing it voluntarily because I had worked here part time for several of the preceding years and loved what i had experienced. But that isn't always that case when I business moves - and many are. I don't have any idea how many of the businesses are bringing people with them but I'd guess the numbers could be significant.
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chasfm11 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:01 am
wil wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:01 am

Myself I moved back here over a decade ago, after doing so and knowing what it takes to make a change such as that. I tend to think those who are doing likewise are of the mindset to escape the insanity of the entrenched democrat socialism.
I find it difficult to think someone who believes in what that state represents overall and agrees with such a thing would go to the length of leaving. Only those who have read the writing on the wall and realize the only option is to escape via leaving would deliberately uproot their lives and come here.
When I moved here in '88, it was a corporate relocation. Granted, I was doing it voluntarily because I had worked here part time for several of the preceding years and loved what i had experienced. But that isn't always that case when I business moves - and many are. I don't have any idea how many of the businesses are bringing people with them but I'd guess the numbers could be significant.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/23/why-com ... ornia.html
I came here with my job. I had the choice of remaining in California and losing my job, or moving and keeping my job. Granted, it was a small business and not a giant corporation, but the variables in the calculus at the level of the individual employee are going to be the same; and in no particular order, they are:

1. Will I be easily enough able to find another job if I stay in California, without taking a large financial hit?

2. Will I be politically/culturally/spiritually at home in the new location?

3. (Related) How easily will I be able to integrate my life into the local pace and social patterns when I arrive?

4. If I move, will the move augment or diminish my financial status?

5. How much will I miss my family/friends/old haunts when I move?

For me, #1 wasn’t all that certain. I would have had to start over again and kiss goodby to the sweat equity I had in my current job.

As a then-very conservative religious person, and a former resident of Texas 30+ years previously, #2 was easy.

#3 was easy too, because I knew that a large part of my social life would revolve around church life, and all I needed to do was to find a good church.

#4 was a no-brainer. Selling my California home for more than 3x what I had paid for it just 7 yrs earlier, and writing a check for a newer nicer bigger home in Texas was one of the soundest financial decisions I’ve ever made, having positive consequences that still affects my life today.

#5 was maybe a little more difficult, but it was more so for my wife and son than it was for me. But today, 15 years later this month, all three of us would tell you that leaving California and moving here was by far the best thing we ever did.

So who benefits from moving here?

—Well, for one thing, former renters who now have a legitimate shot at buying a home of their own.

—Former homeowners who were slaves to their mortgages and just barely keeping their noses above water, and who have the opportunity to buy a nicer home and still have some financial headroom left.

—People of faith who no longer have to feel like they’re social outcasts because they attend religious services.

—Gun owners who yearn to breathe free, and people who wanted to become gun owners but were intimidated by California's draconian gun laws.

—People who see opportunity where others fear change.

—People who see their departure as the ultimate in giving the finger to an overarching, incompetent, and increasingly tyrannical gov’t in Sacramento.

There are some who are going to move here and bring California with them. But I’d posit that a large number of those are people who are headed to already liberal enclaves, because they can’t imagine being "forced" to live among the dirt people. If Austin gets even freakier and more liberal than it already is, is anyone else going to notice it that much?

California liberals who move here will have some effect on local politics wherever they wash up; but I do think we may be overstating their effect on the entire state.
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I got married in 1976 while I was in the Army. When I got out in 78, we moved to my home town of Philadelphia. My wife did not like it there and wanting to keep her happy, I moved to where her family was in the Houston area. I went back into the Army in 79 and got out again in 83 (for good). When it came time to leave Kansas, we moved back to Houston. I have lived in Texas ever since and found it was the home I did not realize I had been missing. I fit in better in Texas than I ever felt like I did in Philly.

I still go up there to visit family. I like to tell them it is once every ten years whether I need to or not. Other than that, I have been back just for funerals and other major events. I have my first voluntary trip coming up in June this year, seven years since the last time I went up there.
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TAM, while one anecdote does not a story make, I was visiting a friend in Robson Ranch and engaged in a conversation with one of her neighbors. I know that the place is a bastion of Red Conservatives but was shocked to find the neighbor was a Liberal retired professor who voluntarily moved to Texas and bought a home in Robson. OK, there are always outliers I told myself. Then I started talking to his neighbor and found out that she was a MILITANT flaming lib. That is two in the same block Driving through Robson Ranch, there were surprisingly more Biden/Harris signs that I would have dreamed.

My point is while you are probably correct that most of the people who voluntarily move to Texas are not re-planted Liberals, some are. I believe that they are coming and are drawn to places like Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Dallas. If they are going to try to infiltrate a place like Robson Ranch, they don't follow your logic.
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The Annoyed Man wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:20 am
chasfm11 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:01 am
wil wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:01 am

Myself I moved back here over a decade ago, after doing so and knowing what it takes to make a change such as that. I tend to think those who are doing likewise are of the mindset to escape the insanity of the entrenched democrat socialism.
I find it difficult to think someone who believes in what that state represents overall and agrees with such a thing would go to the length of leaving. Only those who have read the writing on the wall and realize the only option is to escape via leaving would deliberately uproot their lives and come here.
When I moved here in '88, it was a corporate relocation. Granted, I was doing it voluntarily because I had worked here part time for several of the preceding years and loved what i had experienced. But that isn't always that case when I business moves - and many are. I don't have any idea how many of the businesses are bringing people with them but I'd guess the numbers could be significant.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/23/why-com ... ornia.html
I came here with my job. I had the choice of remaining in California and losing my job, or moving and keeping my job. Granted, it was a small business and not a giant corporation, but the variables in the calculus at the level of the individual employee are going to be the same; and in no particular order, they are:

1. Will I be easily enough able to find another job if I stay in California, without taking a large financial hit?

2. Will I be politically/culturally/spiritually at home in the new location?

3. (Related) How easily will I be able to integrate my life into the local pace and social patterns when I arrive?

4. If I move, will the move augment or diminish my financial status?

5. How much will I miss my family/friends/old haunts when I move?

For me, #1 wasn’t all that certain. I would have had to start over again and kiss goodby to the sweat equity I had in my current job.

As a then-very conservative religious person, and a former resident of Texas 30+ years previously, #2 was easy.

#3 was easy too, because I knew that a large part of my social life would revolve around church life, and all I needed to do was to find a good church.

#4 was a no-brainer. Selling my California home for more than 3x what I had paid for it just 7 yrs earlier, and writing a check for a newer nicer bigger home in Texas was one of the soundest financial decisions I’ve ever made, having positive consequences that still affects my life today.

#5 was maybe a little more difficult, but it was more so for my wife and son than it was for me. But today, 15 years later this month, all three of us would tell you that leaving California and moving here was by far the best thing we ever did.

So who benefits from moving here?

—Well, for one thing, former renters who now have a legitimate shot at buying a home of their own.

—Former homeowners who were slaves to their mortgages and just barely keeping their noses above water, and who have the opportunity to buy a nicer home and still have some financial headroom left.

—People of faith who no longer have to feel like they’re social outcasts because they attend religious services.

—Gun owners who yearn to breathe free, and people who wanted to become gun owners but were intimidated by California's draconian gun laws.

—People who see opportunity where others fear change.

—People who see their departure as the ultimate in giving the finger to an overarching, incompetent, and increasingly tyrannical gov’t in Sacramento.

There are some who are going to move here and bring California with them. But I’d posit that a large number of those are people who are headed to already liberal enclaves, because they can’t imagine being "forced" to live among the dirt people. If Austin gets even freakier and more liberal than it already is, is anyone else going to notice it that much?

California liberals who move here will have some effect on local politics wherever they wash up; but I do think we may be overstating their effect on the entire state.
all of the above is why I said people who're moving here are not making such a change in their lives lightly, and hence likely being literally forced to make such a choice owing to what the PRK has degenerated into. In other words, they are attempting to escape and have thought through the same considerations and the same questions you posed here.

Having grown up here years ago, it was an easy choice for myself.

I agree there are likely a percentage of outright leftists moving here, however I'm beginning to think they are in the minority rather than the majority.

There is a dedicated firearms forum for california, that firearms forum has an entire subforum for people who've moved here, that is telling as to the mindset moving here.
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The problem with TAM's anecdote is that the vast majority of people, regardless of where they come from, who desire to carry concealed will tend to be conservative. These folks are in the VAST minority of the leftist scum moving here from Kalifornia. Just look at how they have destroyed the once great city of Austin.
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03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:54 am The problem with TAM's anecdote is that the vast majority of people, regardless of where they come from, who desire to carry concealed will tend to be conservative. These folks are in the VAST minority of the leftist scum moving here from Kalifornia. Just look at how they have destroyed the once great city of Austin.
FYI, Austin was weird back in 1973 when I lived there.....and that was without a bunch of transplanted Californians. You’ll recall that 1973 was back when republican Ronald Reagan was still governor of California, and democrat Preston Smith was being succeeded by democrat Dolph Briscoe as governor of Texas.

You can blame Austin on Californians if you like, but it simply isn’t historically factual. Californians eventually began to move there because Austin was already Austin. Austin was already on the hippie death spiral 50 years ago. That’s not anecdotal; that’s a fact.

As far as my "anecdotal-evidence" based opinion, it’s not based on one person, applying for an LTC. It’s based on hundreds of people that I’ve met from California in the past year as I fingerprinted them. Furthermore, I fingerprint people for about 200 different reasons, of which LTC is only one reason. I fingerprint people for their CPA licenses, medical licenses, engineering licenses, legal name changes, adoption background checks, insurance licenses, commercial HazMat licenses, etc., etc.

I’m sorry if this isn’t convenient to the narrative.

As I previously stated, which chasfm11 and a few others seem to have recognized, some Californians who move here are undoubtedly liberals, but I think, with good reason, that most who give up everything to move here are not:
The Annoyed Man wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:20 am There are some who are going to move here and bring California with them. But I’d posit that a large number of those are people who are headed to already liberal enclaves, because they can’t imagine being "forced" to live among the dirt people. If Austin gets even freakier and more liberal than it already is, is anyone else going to notice it that much?

California liberals who move here will have some effect on local politics wherever they wash up; but I do think we may be overstating their effect on the entire state.
Why aren’t most of those who move here going to be liberals? Because liberals LIKE California, exactly the way it is, and with all the free sh.....uh....stuff they get there. They LIKE the climate. They LIKE being able to virtue-signal from the safety of a commie state where there’s no financial or social penalty for being shiftless. They’re mostly afraid of pulling up stakes and leaving cushy California where they’re in the majority, and moving to a state where it is a LOT harder to sell that brand of nonsense; where they maybe won't fit in; where everybody has guns ( :eek6 :eek6 :eek6 !); where there are so many churches ( :grumble :grumble :grumble !); where personal responsibility is an expectation and where people know to stand their ground. All of this is terrifying to a California leftist.

Are some of them coming here? Sure, and I never claimed any differently.
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