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Post by AndyC » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:16 pm

EAST PALESTINE, Ohio - An East Palestine man may find out this week if he'll be going to prison after federal agents say they caught him with unregistered firearm silencers for a second time in two years.

An affidavit filed by an agent from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says that See told investigators that he has been making the devices for more than a year, then selling them on eBay for $50 to $80 apiece.

Although See calls the devices “muzzle breaks”, the ATF classifies them as unregistered silencers, bearing no serial numbers.
http://www.wfmj.com/story/32807776/atf- ... -silencers

I was curious why he was calling them muzzle-brakes and why they were selling so cheap, so I did some digging and...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-6-SUPER-GIL ... 1957276824

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Post by sugar land dave » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:39 pm

If someone is under probation for selling silencer kits, then doing something similar again is not a good thing.
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Post by Skiprr » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:54 pm

That's a silencer? What can it silence? A fly sitting on one of the cutouts when a round is fired?
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Post by Beiruty » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:50 pm

That is noise making for anyone next to shooter.
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Post by remanifest » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:01 am

Honest question - why is a license required to sell something that purports to silence a weapon? Are the sales of silencers reported to the federal government, or are forms required to be kept by the seller?

Seems to me the market would decide what silencers perform optimally, and the guy would go out of business without a good product and a good strategy for entry to market.
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Post by ELB » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:07 am

If you slide a tube of appropriate inside diameter over that device, does it act as the baffles for a suppressor? In other words was he actually selling the guts of a suppressor?
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Post by remanifest » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:12 am

ELB wrote:If you slide a tube of appropriate inside diameter over that device, does it act as the baffles for a suppressor? In other words was he actually selling the guts of a suppressor?
The news article seemed to imply that's a definite possibility to me:
wfmj.com wrote:See is still on probation from a 2014 conviction for possessing unregistered firearms after he sold an ATF undercover agent three kits that could be assembled to make a device used to diminish the report of a firearm.
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Post by mrvmax » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:55 am

remanifest wrote:Honest question - why is a license required to sell something that purports to silence a weapon? Are the sales of silencers reported to the federal government, or are forms required to be kept by the seller?

Seems to me the market would decide what silencers perform optimally, and the guy would go out of business without a good product and a good strategy for entry to market.
Because it falls under NFA


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Post by mrvmax » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:58 am

The "solvent traps" seem to be pretty popular and I keep telling people not to buy them unless they plan on filing a form 1 to make it legal. At some point the ATF will crack down on people for having unregistered (i.e. no tax stamp) suppressors.


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Post by parabelum » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:42 am

Skiprr wrote:That's a silencer? What can it silence? A fly sitting on one of the cutouts when a round is fired?

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Post by AndyC » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:09 am

ELB wrote:If you slide a tube of appropriate inside diameter over that device, does it act as the baffles for a suppressor? In other words was he actually selling the guts of a suppressor?
Got it in one - at least, that's the ATF's thought and I can't say I blame them.
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Post by sheary » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:19 pm

I hope President Trump will get rid of this nonsense. $200 tax and a background check to put a muffler on a gun, but they'll fine you if you don't put a muffler on your car. :banghead:


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Post by parabelum » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:39 pm

Is there any actual empirical evidence to suggest that SBRs and/or silencers are more "dangerous" and thusly require all this paperwork?
What's this NFA other then cash cow for the bureaucracy?

What, at 15.11" I'm not cool but at 16" I'm good to go?
If my firearm noise is dampened (I thought progs loved the serenity), then I'm a felon if I don't go through the bureaucracy? :banghead:

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Post by goose » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:41 pm

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ELB wrote:If you slide a tube of appropriate inside diameter over that device, does it act as the baffles for a suppressor? In other words was he actually selling the guts of a suppressor?
Got it in one - at least, that's the ATF's thought and I can't say I blame them.
Anyone that bought one of those off of ebay probably ought to have a fairly high pucker factor. I'd be looking for some way to show I still had it but that it could in NO way be used as the guts of a silencer. Maybe bent severely or the like, so it can't even be installed safely. If they will charge someone for having an oil filter adapter, I would bet they would charge a person for one of these. I would guess that they are already compiling the list of customers from ebay. The day after they get a conviction (edit: conviction of Mr See), they'll likely be visiting those customers.

I am one of those folks hoping that the hearing protection act, or similar, can get some traction.
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