Texas republican congressman calls for giving 16 year olds the vote.

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Texas republican congressman calls for giving 16 year olds the vote.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:55 pm

Skip ahead to the 28 minute mark to get to that part of the video:



What is this guy's major malfunction?

Here's my response:
  1. Lower the select service draft age to 16.
  2. Reinstitute the selective service draft.
  3. Change the age of full majority to 16.
    1. Parents would no longer be able to claim 16-18 year old children as dependents for tax purposes.
    2. Full constitutional rights at 16 - including the right to keep and bear arms.
  4. Change the drinking age to 16.
  5. Raise the age of welfare eligibility to 21.
  6. THEN give them the vote.
Let's see how they like that. The vote should only apply to people who have FULL rights of citizenship. Arguably, minors do not.......yet. So if they want the vote, they should have to carry the full burdens of citizenship along with it.
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Post by Grumpy1993 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:21 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:55 pm
Skip ahead to the 28 minute mark to get to that part of the video:



What is this guy's major malfunction?

Here's my response:
  1. Lower the select service draft age to 16.
  2. Reinstitute the selective service draft.
  3. Change the age of full majority to 16.
    1. Parents would no longer be able to claim 16-18 year old children as dependents for tax purposes.
    2. Full constitutional rights at 16 - including the right to keep and bear arms.
  4. Change the drinking age to 16.
  5. Raise the age of welfare eligibility to 21.
  6. THEN give them the vote.
Let's see how they like that. The vote should only apply to people who have FULL rights of citizenship. Arguably, minors do not.......yet. So if they want the vote, they should have to carry the full burdens of citizenship along with it.
I think 16 is too young in a society that infantilizes teens. Modern understanding of brain development issues aside, how 21st century US society raises children is much different than hundreds of years ago in Europe. Never mind biblical times. Teens today are not, with rare exception, raised to be truly "young adults" at 18.

However, I think the inconsistency in age of majority needs to be addressed. There should be one age for voting, enlisting or registering for selective service, drinking, buying any legal firearm, entering into contracts, driving, consenting to sex, etc. That last one especially. If somebody is too immature to give legal consent for their own bodily functions, they're way too young to do something like drive a car, which could seriously injure or kill other people. :evil2:

I also agree that adults, whatever age that is, should file their own independent income tax returns and not be bundled with somebody else, whether parent, grandparent, or spouse.

I have no opinion on the age of welfare eligibility, because I believe the federal program should be completely abolished. Charity should be handled by (voluntary) charities, or individuals, not by an entity that takes money by (implied or explicit) threat of force.
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Post by bblhd672 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:36 pm

Congressman Michael C. Burgess M.D., Republican, Texas is a prime example of what is wrong with the Republican Party.
At least he doesn’t represent my part of Tarrant County. I wonder what the people who elected him think of his support for progressive socialist agenda
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Post by mojo84 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:45 pm

He doesn't seem too bright.

As far as I know, they do not issue credit cards to 16 year old kids.


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Post by LeonCarr » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:47 pm

To my knowledge Dr. Burgess also has a 100% Pro-2A voting record.

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Post by FrogFan » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:57 pm

Congressman Michael C. Burgess M.D., Republican, Texas is a prime example of what is wrong with the Republican Party.
At least he doesn’t represent my part of Tarrant County. I wonder what the people who elected him think of his support for progressive socialist agenda
He does represent my part of Tarrant County. I've actually corresponded with him on this topic, seeking to understand why he voted the way he did. He made the same points to me as he made for Tucker Carlson, completely missing the point that 16-year olds are simply too immature to understand the implications of their votes. I've voted for Burgess more than a couple times, and he has been, for the most part, a reliable conservative Republican for years. I'm really disappointed with him here. I think many of his constituents are as well, judging from the hint of exasperation in his staffer's voice when I spoke with her on the telephone.

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Post by GeekwithaGun » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:14 pm

FrogFan wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:57 pm
Congressman Michael C. Burgess M.D., Republican, Texas is a prime example of what is wrong with the Republican Party.
At least he doesn’t represent my part of Tarrant County. I wonder what the people who elected him think of his support for progressive socialist agenda
He does represent my part of Tarrant County. I've actually corresponded with him on this topic, seeking to understand why he voted the way he did. He made the same points to me as he made for Tucker Carlson, completely missing the point that 16-year olds are simply too immature to understand the implications of their votes. I've voted for Burgess more than a couple times, and he has been, for the most part, a reliable conservative Republican for years. I'm really disappointed with him here. I think many of his constituents are as well, judging from the hint of exasperation in his staffer's voice when I spoke with her on the telephone.
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Post by WTR » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:18 pm

I’m surprised that an MD would hold this view. It is a known scientific fact that the human brain does not fully mature until the age of 21-25. I think we need to amend many laws to reflect this.

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Post by Beiruty » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:36 pm

I cannot understand, for Dems how 21 yrs old is the age for purchasing a handgun or scary long rifle and consumption of booze while it is Okay to be 16 and vote. that 5 yrs difference. How about statuary rape?
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Post by Oldgringo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:00 pm

The vote should never have been lowered to 18 EXCEPT for active military.

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Post by MaduroBU » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:57 pm

The Age of Majority should be one number.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:15 am

Grumpy1993 wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:21 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:55 pm
Skip ahead to the 28 minute mark to get to that part of the video:



What is this guy's major malfunction?

Here's my response:
  1. Lower the select service draft age to 16.
  2. Reinstitute the selective service draft.
  3. Change the age of full majority to 16.
    1. Parents would no longer be able to claim 16-18 year old children as dependents for tax purposes.
    2. Full constitutional rights at 16 - including the right to keep and bear arms.
  4. Change the drinking age to 16.
  5. Raise the age of welfare eligibility to 21.
  6. THEN give them the vote.
Let's see how they like that. The vote should only apply to people who have FULL rights of citizenship. Arguably, minors do not.......yet. So if they want the vote, they should have to carry the full burdens of citizenship along with it.
I think 16 is too young in a society that infantilizes teens. Modern understanding of brain development issues aside, how 21st century US society raises children is much different than hundreds of years ago in Europe. Never mind biblical times. Teens today are not, with rare exception, raised to be truly "young adults" at 18.

However, I think the inconsistency in age of majority needs to be addressed. There should be one age for voting, enlisting or registering for selective service, drinking, buying any legal firearm, entering into contracts, driving, consenting to sex, etc. That last one especially. If somebody is too immature to give legal consent for their own bodily functions, they're way too young to do something like drive a car, which could seriously injure or kill other people. :evil2:

I also agree that adults, whatever age that is, should file their own independent income tax returns and not be bundled with somebody else, whether parent, grandparent, or spouse.

I have no opinion on the age of welfare eligibility, because I believe the federal program should be completely abolished. Charity should be handled by (voluntary) charities, or individuals, not by an entity that takes money by (implied or explicit) threat of force.
See.... where you've gone wrong is in giving a completely rational answer to an irrational problem. I agree that 16 is too young for anything except maybe the sophomore dance. You're right in that we have such a wide discrepancy in ages of majority for different things, and that is confusing to a society desperately in need of clear bright lines. It's well worth noting that the actuarial tables for motor vehicle insurance do not consider 21 a mature enough age for a male driver to deserve the same rates as older adults. Why? Because 21 year old males - as a total population - are still reckless behind the wheel of a vehicle. Times may have changed, and those here who work in the insurance industry certainly will know better than I, but I recall the age of 25 being the point at vehicle insurance rates begin to go down for a male driver.

In any case, there's an obvious reason for it. 21 year olds are barely mature enough to drive a vehicle, let alone vote. Military service tends to drill responsibility into teenagers, turning them from boys into men. But left to their own devices, the largest part of 18-19 year olds don't have sense enough to pound sand down a rat hole. How can they possibly understand what they would be voting for?

And the absolutely scariest part is that they might get that indoctrination from the public school system - where their teachers tend more often than not to be in lockstep with leftist ideals. Giving 16 year olds the vote is a sure recipe for absolute disaster.

That's why I posted that list in my OP. If the voting age is to be 16, then [anyone not a democrat] should force the left to make 16 the age of majority for all things. Then, the left has to answer the question why placing the very future of the republic in the hands of children is OK, but why they are also NOT old enough to own a firearm of their choice, or carry it in public, or marry without parental permission; or drink or smoke whatever they want to; or why their parents should continue being able to claim them as dependents; and why they must start filing income taxes ....subsequent to having a damned job (for which they are most likely not yet qualified); or why the age of selective service registration shouldn't be 16.....and on and on and on.

One of two things happens: either (A) the left has to back away from changing the voting age to 16; or (B) they have to pass ALL of the above for the sake of consistency. If they choose (A) we can take a breather until the next time this foolish idea raises its head.

If they choose neither (A) nor (B), they'll then have to explain to their new 16 year old voters why they can't be trusted with alcohol and cigarettes; why they're not old enough to be self-emancipated; why they're not old enough to marry; why they're not old enough to fully express their 2nd Amendment rights; etc., etc.

If they choose (B), then society will completely collapse in a couple of years, CW2 will be fought, and then we can get back to rebuilding on a more rational footing.
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Post by Grumpy1993 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:36 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:15 am
See.... where you've gone wrong is in giving a completely rational answer to an irrational problem.
mea culpa

I agree with the rest of your comments, with the addition that I think (B) will only hasten the inevitable collapse.
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Post by striker55 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:09 am

Goes along the lines of trophies just for competing.

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