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Post by AndyC » Thu May 16, 2019 10:48 am

AUSTIN — Texas lawmakers have passed legislation lifting the state ban on brass knuckles, kitty keychains and other self defense items.

The Texas Senate gave the bill its final OK on Wednesday morning; it now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott for his signature or veto.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-l ... botts-desk
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Post by ELB » Thu May 16, 2019 11:08 am

HB 446.

Removes "knuckles" from PC 46.05.

But what is bigger news, to me anyway, is it also appears to remove carrying a "club" in public as an offense from PC 46.02. Whoa!

Somebody else go read the text and see if I'm right:
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/b ... 00446F.htm

Does this mean saps and jacks are now legal to carry?
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Post by Papa_Tiger » Thu May 16, 2019 11:18 am

If the law is not vetoed by Governor Abbot, it will into effect September 1, 2019. Until then knuckles and clubs remain illegal.


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Post by RSX11 » Thu May 16, 2019 11:27 am

Great - when this becomes effective, I can carry my favorite knife.

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Post by crazy2medic » Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am

Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
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Post by Flightmare » Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am

crazy2medic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:

(A) blackjack;

(B) nightstick;

(C) mace;

(D) tomahawk.
IANAL, but I believe the baton would be included in the definition of "club".
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Post by ELB » Thu May 16, 2019 11:44 am

Papa_Tiger wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:18 am
If the law is not vetoed by Governor Abbot, it will into effect September 1, 2019. Until then knuckles and clubs remain illegal.
Well, by "now" I meant when the law goes into effect. The question is, does the bill allow carry of clubs in public? It appears to me that it does.
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Post by crazy2medic » Thu May 16, 2019 11:50 am

Flightmare wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am
crazy2medic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:

(A) blackjack;

(B) nightstick;

(C) mace;

(D) tomahawk.
IANAL, but I believe the baton would be included in the definition of "club".
Duly noted!
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Post by bblhd672 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:08 pm

crazy2medic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
Same question here. I"m taking L3/L4 security training for my church safety team.
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Post by bblhd672 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:14 pm

crazy2medic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:50 am
Flightmare wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am
crazy2medic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:

(A) blackjack;

(B) nightstick;

(C) mace;

(D) tomahawk.
IANAL, but I believe the baton would be included in the definition of "club".
Duly noted!
Thanks. Waiting to see what the governor does.
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Post by ELB » Thu May 16, 2019 1:13 pm

The law as it stands this moment exempt certain security personnel who are on duty from the prohibition against carrying clubs, so pretty sure the law considers batons to be clubs, along with anything else you can whack somebody with.
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Post by anygunanywhere » Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm

Carrying my tomahawk will be legal??
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Post by ScottDLS » Thu May 16, 2019 8:12 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm
Carrying my tomahawk will be legal??
My poniard, dirk, or dagger?
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Post by Syntyr » Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:12 pm
anygunanywhere wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm
Carrying my tomahawk will be legal??
My poniard, dirk, or dagger?
I would like to carry and asp or steel baton.
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Post by powerboatr » Thu May 16, 2019 11:16 pm

AndyC wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 10:48 am
AUSTIN — Texas lawmakers have passed legislation lifting the state ban on brass knuckles, kitty keychains and other self defense items.

The Texas Senate gave the bill its final OK on Wednesday morning; it now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott for his signature or veto.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-l ... botts-desk
ok..what is a kitty keychain?
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