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Post by rm9792 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:57 am

Someone asked about advantages to building your own. 2 main ones I like are the cost and you can make adaptable ones. A friend got a lathe and got real good at making baffles. We made multiple sets for different calibers and you can get the tube and different mounts (threads) online for cheap. So with one registered titanium tube I can attach to everything from .17 to .45acp. Just change baffles and endcaps. We even figured out to open up an end cap to accept Liberty Mystic suppressor pistons so the .45 will cycle.
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Post by loktite » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:42 pm

I was under the impression you can't change out endcaps and baffles once it has been fired, that the only then you can do in that regard legally is use wipes?
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Post by AndyC » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:32 am

rm9792 wrote:Someone asked about advantages to building your own. 2 main ones I like are the cost and you can make adaptable ones. A friend got a lathe and got real good at making baffles. We made multiple sets for different calibers and you can get the tube and different mounts (threads) online for cheap. So with one registered titanium tube I can attach to everything from .17 to .45acp. Just change baffles and endcaps. We even figured out to open up an end cap to accept Liberty Mystic suppressor pistons so the .45 will cycle.
That's a good way to end up in federal pen - ATF could charge both you and your buddy with a separate felony for each and every single one of those replacement components as they consider each one to be an unregistered silencer. I'd strongly suggest you destroy ALL of those and stick only with the baffles and end-caps of the caliber you specifically registered on your Form 1.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:04 am

rm9792 wrote:Someone asked about advantages to building your own. 2 main ones I like are the cost and you can make adaptable ones. A friend got a lathe and got real good at making baffles. We made multiple sets for different calibers and you can get the tube and different mounts (threads) online for cheap. So with one registered titanium tube I can attach to everything from .17 to .45acp. Just change baffles and endcaps. We even figured out to open up an end cap to accept Liberty Mystic suppressor pistons so the .45 will cycle.
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Did I meet you at ETTS a couple of weeks ago, on the 100/200 yard sighting in range? I spoke with someone who talked about him and a friend buying a lathe and making their own suppressors. My son and I were there with our homemade suppressors, and we talked about sourcing of parts.
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Post by rm9792 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:23 pm

No, I haven't met anyone at ETTS. From my research the maker (manufacturer) can repair a suppressor. I assume that's me. Will be writing the ATF to ask for clarification since I cant get a definite answer one way or another. You can buy pistons and such at a lot of places so I am not sure whats different about that. I know the tube is serialed but the other parts aren't. I lost all those replacement baffles last night though, wonder what happened to them...


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Post by maverick2076 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:03 pm

IIRC, the argument is that you are not a manufacturer (you don't pay SOT), you are a maker, and so you cannot swap components/repair yourself. You can find good details and info on this on the forum for SD Tactical Arms. I would advise doing this to try to research your clear answer before you write the ATF. Questions written to the ATF have the potential to get turned into opinion letters that negatively affect a whole bunch of gun owners, i.e. the Sig brace debacle.

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Post by AndyC » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:00 pm

rm9792 wrote:I lost all those replacement baffles last night though, wonder what happened to them...
What a stroke of luck :)

Sorry to be the downer here but had to pass along the common understanding of the Byzantine ATF regs before anything bad happened to you.
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:47 pm

rm9792 wrote:No, I haven't met anyone at ETTS. From my research the maker (manufacturer) can repair a suppressor. I assume that's me. Will be writing the ATF to ask for clarification since I cant get a definite answer one way or another. You can buy pistons and such at a lot of places so I am not sure whats different about that. I know the tube is serialed but the other parts aren't. I lost all those replacement baffles last night though, wonder what happened to them...
I just form 4'd another suppressor yesterday, and the guy at The Silencer Shop to,d me that pistons are an over the counter part and not ATF controlled. I bought a Rugged Obsidian 45, which will take a 9mm piston, so I'll have a multi caliber pistol can. In fact, it will suppress a 9mm more effectively than many 9mm cans.
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Post by RogueUSMC » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:47 am

My brother in law bought a SilencerCo suppressor for .308. their website has videos doing tests and found that their .308 suppressor (which you can put a 5.56 cap on) was slightly quieter on the 5.56 platform using the complete .308 unit. Seems like you can run a suppressor for your largest caliber and be good to go on smaller calibers as long as the threads will mate up.
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Post by AndyC » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:39 am

From my understanding, the end-caps can be changed *if* it's not what's holding the internals in place.
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Post by RogueUSMC » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:50 am

Right but it seems to be moot as the larger endcap works better than the smaller on the smaller platforms...
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Post by AndyC » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:01 pm

I haven't swapped and-caps but yes, my .30-cal end-cap seems to do a fine job even on .223s
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:10 pm

RogueUSMC wrote:My brother in law bought a SilencerCo suppressor for .308. their website has videos doing tests and found that their .308 suppressor (which you can put a 5.56 cap on) was slightly quieter on the 5.56 platform using the complete .308 unit. Seems like you can run a suppressor for your largest caliber and be good to go on smaller calibers as long as the threads will mate up.

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I have a .45 can that I run on 9mm as well with a piston change, and a .308 that performs nicely on my 5.56 with no change required at all.
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Post by der Teufel » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:30 pm

der Teufel wrote:I submitted paperwork in mid-May, and my check to BATFE has cleared the bank, so I thought I'd call and just verify that there weren't any known issues. Actually, the guy on the phone couldn't tell me anything except that they're now beginning to process applications submitted in mid-March, and that the current processing time is six months.

Guess I'll just have to be patient for (quite) a while longer.
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Prophetic. Current data indicates that Form 1 paperwork submitted in February is now being approved. I'm hoping that I'm not going to be caught in a 'last-minute' surge before the rules change that will extend the processing time beyond Christmas. (sigh)

OTOH, I went ahead and ordered most of the parts I'll need to eventually put it together. That stuff should begin arriving by the end of this week.

Hey, I have an idea for stimulating the economy — let's take suppressors off of the NFA list! :anamatedbanana :cheers2: :hurry:
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Post by Jusme » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:57 pm

der Teufel wrote:
der Teufel wrote:I submitted paperwork in mid-May, and my check to BATFE has cleared the bank, so I thought I'd call and just verify that there weren't any known issues. Actually, the guy on the phone couldn't tell me anything except that they're now beginning to process applications submitted in mid-March, and that the current processing time is six months.

Guess I'll just have to be patient for (quite) a while longer.
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AndyC wrote:Sounds like it'll be a nice Christmas present, though :)


Prophetic. Current data indicates that Form 1 paperwork submitted in February is now being approved. I'm hoping that I'm not going to be caught in a 'last-minute' surge before the rules change that will extend the processing time beyond Christmas. (sigh)

OTOH, I went ahead and ordered most of the parts I'll need to eventually put it together. That stuff should begin arriving by the end of this week.

Hey, I have an idea for stimulating the economy — let's take suppressors off of the NFA list! :anamatedbanana :cheers2: :hurry:

They should never have been on there in the first place, can you name anyone ever killed by a suppressor? They may have burned a hand if they were not smart enough not to grab it.
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