Ending gun violence through equity

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Re: Ending gun violence through equity

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eyedoc wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:37 pm
srothstein wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:19 pm While I do not agree with the article and could not make my way through the whole thing, I wanted to point out that she is one of the few who are not blaming guns and gun-owners for the violence. She is not proposing that the solution is banning guns or anything like that. I don't agree with the concept of remaking society overall, as that is just another way of saying socialism will solve all the ills of the world. But I want to point out that maybe her realization that good people with guns is not the problem can be expanded on to others.

She also has some criminological science to back her up. There are several variations of strain theory, but the basic concept is that people commit crimes as a result of strain they feel from other societal pressures. This is a widely accepted theory that many criminologists work on. My problem with it is the lack of explanation of why two people will react differently to the exact same pressures, one committing crime and the other not.
"The organization doesn’t just aim to take guns off the street. They set out to provide health care, social security nets, and alternative options for people, attempting to lessen the social disparities that could lead to gun violence."

“I think when we talk about the future of gun violence, it’s really easy to say, ‘I want to see background checks,’ ‘I want to see assault weapons banned,’ ‘I want to see universal availability of extremist protection orders,’” says Fleisher. “All of those things are vital, and they’re necessary, and I want to see them too. But I think that we have to think bigger than that.”

She does want gun bans too.
Thanks, I missed that line.
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Rafe wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:12 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:34 pm
philip964 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:05 pm https://www.intheknow.com/post/kathryn- ... -violence/

Systemic injustice that perpetrates gun violence.
Quoting that article…
Six years ago, Not My Generation was just Fleisher and a single document. But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.
So…does that mean that it has 41 members?
At least 41! Woo hoo! And it only took six years to reach that milestone! :hurry:
:biggrinjester:
You’re beginning to see the problem with this article. :lol:
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The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:46 am
Rafe wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:12 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:34 pm
philip964 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:05 pm https://www.intheknow.com/post/kathryn- ... -violence/

Systemic injustice that perpetrates gun violence.
Quoting that article…
Six years ago, Not My Generation was just Fleisher and a single document. But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.
So…does that mean that it has 41 members?
At least 41! Woo hoo! And it only took six years to reach that milestone! :hurry:
:biggrinjester:
You’re beginning to see the problem with this article. :lol:
But, but... I reported the "over 40 members" thing back in post #4: viewtopic.php?p=1314797#p1314797. What really tripped my trigger (yeah; a pun; I couldn't help myself) was the whole "not my generation" thing and the notion that defunding the police and defunding prisons and incarceration was the solution for the future.

With any luck, current media attention just might, out of association embarrassment, drop the membership roll of the six-year-old "Not My Generation" down below 40. But it's not just inherent snowflakeness. What has me terribly fearful is the state of education and upbringing in this country. From CRT to Cancel Culture rewriting history, I don't think we've ever seen such a politicization of the educational system. Even the Millennials weren't exposed to such lengths of propagandization. The last thing I imagine can be found in K through 12 now--maybe even in many colleges--is the teaching of formal logic and critical thinking. Kids aren't being taught how to think for themselves, how to analyze and evaluate. It's all about feelings and belief in what they hear and are told in the agitprop of social media and the disinformation of thinly disguised political agendas.

Oh, I think Gen Z and Gen A will have plenty of faith. It just won't be the right kind of faith. And the only time they'll skeptically question it is after Facebook tells them they can fly, and they find themselves pondering the veracity of that truism as they plunge 20 stories to the pavement below.

BTW, I can't keep up with which generation moniker is which, so I had to look it up...
  • Baby Boomers: born between 1946 and 1964; currently between 57-75 years old (71.6 million in the U.S.)
  • Gen X: born between 1965 and 1979/80; currently between 41-56 years old (65.2 million people in the U.S.)
  • Gen Y: or Millennials, were born between 1981 and 1994/6; currently between 25 and 40 years old (72.1 million in the U.S.)
    • Gen Y.1: 25-29 years old (around 31 million people in the U.S.)
    • Gen Y.2: 29-39 (around 42 million people in the U.S.)
  • Gen Z: born between 1997 and 2012; currently between 9 and 24 years old (nearly 68 million in the U.S.)
  • Gen A: or Generation Alpha; starts with kids born in 2012 and will continue at least through 2025, maybe later (~48 million people in the U.S.)
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Rafe wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:50 am But, but... I reported the "over 40 members" thing back in post #4:
Oops! My bad. I didn’t catch that. :oops:
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Rafe wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:50 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:46 am
Rafe wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:12 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:34 pm
philip964 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:05 pm https://www.intheknow.com/post/kathryn- ... -violence/

Systemic injustice that perpetrates gun violence.
Quoting that article…
Six years ago, Not My Generation was just Fleisher and a single document. But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.
So…does that mean that it has 41 members?
At least 41! Woo hoo! And it only took six years to reach that milestone! :hurry:
:biggrinjester:
You’re beginning to see the problem with this article. :lol:
But, but... I reported the "over 40 members" thing back in post #4: viewtopic.php?p=1314797#p1314797. What really tripped my trigger (yeah; a pun; I couldn't help myself) was the whole "not my generation" thing and the notion that defunding the police and defunding prisons and incarceration was the solution for the future.

With any luck, current media attention just might, out of association embarrassment, drop the membership roll of the six-year-old "Not My Generation" down below 40. But it's not just inherent snowflakeness. What has me terribly fearful is the state of education and upbringing in this country. From CRT to Cancel Culture rewriting history, I don't think we've ever seen such a politicization of the educational system. Even the Millennials weren't exposed to such lengths of propagandization. The last thing I imagine can be found in K through 12 now--maybe even in many colleges--is the teaching of formal logic and critical thinking. Kids aren't being taught how to think for themselves, how to analyze and evaluate. It's all about feelings and belief in what they hear and are told in the agitprop of social media and the disinformation of thinly disguised political agendas.

Oh, I think Gen Z and Gen A will have plenty of faith. It just won't be the right kind of faith. And the only time they'll skeptically question it is after Facebook tells them they can fly, and they find themselves pondering the veracity of that truism as they plunge 20 stories to the pavement below.

BTW, I can't keep up with which generation moniker is which, so I had to look it up...
  • Baby Boomers: born between 1946 and 1964; currently between 57-75 years old (71.6 million in the U.S.)
  • Gen X: born between 1965 and 1979/80; currently between 41-56 years old (65.2 million people in the U.S.)
  • Gen Y: or Millennials, were born between 1981 and 1994/6; currently between 25 and 40 years old (72.1 million in the U.S.)
    • Gen Y.1: 25-29 years old (around 31 million people in the U.S.)
    • Gen Y.2: 29-39 (around 42 million people in the U.S.)
  • Gen Z: born between 1997 and 2012; currently between 9 and 24 years old (nearly 68 million in the U.S.)
  • Gen A: or Generation Alpha; starts with kids born in 2012 and will continue at least through 2025, maybe later (~48 million people in the U.S.)

Gen Y.2 feels different from Gen Y.1 since Y.2 was born without computers-in the home and the internet in the home until they were older.
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I've known a number of sociopaths in my life; none of them had 'social equity' as a life goal.
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JustSomeOldGuy wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:07 am I've known a number of sociopaths in my life; none of them had 'social equity' as a life goal.
Massad Ayoob once wrote criminals are afraid of 3 things: guns, dogs, and the ability to call more of the same.

Psychopaths won't even feel bad about the harm they have caused. They are incapable. The psychotic may not even realize the harm they have caused.

As a society we do have to deal with that, but we CANNOT give more power to sociopaths and psychopaths by disarming ourselves.

Agree or disagree with him, Dr. Kevin Barrett's spirited take on the issue is worth consideration: Twilight of the Psychopaths
Truly, we are witnessing the twilight of the psychopaths. Whether in their death throes they succeed in pulling down the curtain of eternal night on all of us, or whether we resist them and survive to see the dawn of a civilization worthy of the name, is the great decision in which all of us others, however humbly, are now participating.
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I wonder where the funding for this organization is coming from?

A quote from Miss. Fleisher:
“We live in a society where people are more likely to face homelessness and food insecurity
One of the causes of "Food insecurity" is a lack of healthy options to buy food from.
A cause of that is rioting and burning those businesses to the ground.
Maybe teach people not to riot?
Maybe enforce the law when people do riot?
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