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Lawmaker aims at making Texas firearms exempt from federal regulation
A Texas lawmaker wants to further push state sovereignty from the federal government.

Rep. Leo Berman, a former Arlington mayor pro tem, has filed a bill to make guns, ammunition and gun parts that are made, sold and kept in Texas free from federal regulation.

That would exempt them from federal gun registration, dealer licensing rules and buyer background checks. State laws would still apply.

"This does two things," said Berman, a Tyler Republican. "It tests our sovereignty in relationship to the federal government, and it would attract new small gun manufacturers to the state to manufacture certain types of weapons and ammunition that are only used in intrastate commerce."

Guns and sovereignty are fiery issues in the Lone Star State, where residents resist federal regulations that could trample on either right.

Sparks flew last month when Gov. Rick Perry talked about how some Texans might want the state to secede from the U.S. and when a bill advanced in the Legislature to tell the federal government to "cease and desist" imposing regulations on the state.

Berman’s bill, similar to measures in Montana and Alaska, would push the sovereignty button even further.

The bill is pending in the House Public Safety Committee.

Texas-made

Berman said his bill is geared to help smaller "mom and pop" gun, ammunition and gun-part makers in Texas.

Those who make and sell their products in the state would put a "Made in Texas" stamp on items meant to stay in Texas.

Lawmakers say the federal government regulates firearms and ammunition through its power to regulate interstate commerce. If Texas prevents those products from leaving the state, federal officials’ arguments for regulating them are rendered moot, state lawmakers say.

"The bill requires every component to be made and stay in Texas," Berman said. "If it leaves Texas, it will be subject to federal legislation."

Critics say the bill is a long shot. They worry that if residents try to follow such a law, they would risk prosecution from the U.S. government, which may not recognize the legislation. Karl Dean Pifer, who owns KC Precision Ballistics in Granbury, said he has mixed feelings about the bill.

He and his wife and daughter make federally licensed ammunition at their home for up to .50-caliber firearms. Last year, they sold about 10,000 rounds — an amount they have already reached in the first quarter of this year, Pifer said.

While he would like some of the regulatory relief the bill could bring, Pifer said, he’s worried that manufacturers might not be under strict-enough guidelines.

"With no regulation, it could open it up to a lot of bad guys doing a lot of bad stuff," he said. But "it would be great to sell within the state without any additional taxes or regulations."

Test case?

A similar bill is pending in Alaska, where House members have approved the Alaska Firearms Freedom Act.

Some there say they see the bill as a way to reclaim some of their rights from the federal government.

But Texas lawmakers are keeping an eye on the Montana measure, which takes effect Oct. 1. That is the gun-sovereignty law they believe most likely to be tested in court.

Some have said they hope to set off a court battle by finding a Montana resident to notify the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that he or she will build and sell "made in Montana" rifles without federal licensing.

If not allowed to proceed, the resident would file a lawsuit in the hope of making it to the U.S. Supreme Court for a final ruling.

"This will be the test case, to challenge the federal law," Berman said. "I’m very interested in our Second Amendment rights under the Constitution."


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Description: HB 1863, exempting Texas-made and Texas-sold weapons and ammo that do not leave the state from federal requirements; HB 1893, which would let a person with a concealed-handgun license carry a weapon on a college campus; SB 729, which would give a person some legal protection for carrying a gun into a bar if management has not posted a sign; SB 730, which would let people take handguns to work and leave them locked in their car.

How to track: Go to http://www.legis.state.tx.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and search for the bills by their number.
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Obama and the boys and girls gettin' down in D.C. ain't gonna like that there huckleberry very much.
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Sure seems like the stand being made is not making much of a splash with those up on that shiny castle on that hill up there...

But thats ok... ;-)
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Glenn Beck mentioned it on his show the other day...said he loves Texas. Of course, he also seemed to have no clue that Montana had already passed one just like it...or maybe he purposely omitted that just to make folks think us Texans invented the idea.

Anyway, it'll be fun to see how it plays out. Anyone know if a similar law could be crafted applying to ammunition manufacture?

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He did bring up Montana on his radio show.
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Do we have any gun manufacturers in Texas?
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American Derringer Corporation looks like it might be...

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Medino wrote:http://www.star-telegram.com/legislatur ... 55073.html
Lawmaker aims at making Texas firearms exempt from federal regulation
A Texas lawmaker wants to further push state sovereignty from the federal government.

Rep. Leo Berman, a former Arlington mayor pro tem, has filed a bill to make guns, ammunition and gun parts that are made, sold and kept in Texas free from federal regulation.

That would exempt them from federal gun registration, dealer licensing rules and buyer background checks. State laws would still apply.

"This does two things," said Berman, a Tyler Republican. "It tests our sovereignty in relationship to the federal government, and it would attract new small gun manufacturers to the state to manufacture certain types of weapons and ammunition that are only used in intrastate commerce."

Guns and sovereignty are fiery issues in the Lone Star State, where residents resist federal regulations that could trample on either right.

Sparks flew last month when Gov. Rick Perry talked about how some Texans might want the state to secede from the U.S. and when a bill advanced in the Legislature to tell the federal government to "cease and desist" imposing regulations on the state.

Berman’s bill, similar to measures in Montana and Alaska, would push the sovereignty button even further.

The bill is pending in the House Public Safety Committee.

Texas-made

Berman said his bill is geared to help smaller "mom and pop" gun, ammunition and gun-part makers in Texas.

Those who make and sell their products in the state would put a "Made in Texas" stamp on items meant to stay in Texas.

Lawmakers say the federal government regulates firearms and ammunition through its power to regulate interstate commerce. If Texas prevents those products from leaving the state, federal officials’ arguments for regulating them are rendered moot, state lawmakers say.

"The bill requires every component to be made and stay in Texas," Berman said. "If it leaves Texas, it will be subject to federal legislation."

Critics say the bill is a long shot. They worry that if residents try to follow such a law, they would risk prosecution from the U.S. government, which may not recognize the legislation. Karl Dean Pifer, who owns KC Precision Ballistics in Granbury, said he has mixed feelings about the bill.

He and his wife and daughter make federally licensed ammunition at their home for up to .50-caliber firearms. Last year, they sold about 10,000 rounds — an amount they have already reached in the first quarter of this year, Pifer said.

While he would like some of the regulatory relief the bill could bring, Pifer said, he’s worried that manufacturers might not be under strict-enough guidelines.

"With no regulation, it could open it up to a lot of bad guys doing a lot of bad stuff," he said. But "it would be great to sell within the state without any additional taxes or regulations."

Test case?

A similar bill is pending in Alaska, where House members have approved the Alaska Firearms Freedom Act.

Some there say they see the bill as a way to reclaim some of their rights from the federal government.

But Texas lawmakers are keeping an eye on the Montana measure, which takes effect Oct. 1. That is the gun-sovereignty law they believe most likely to be tested in court.

Some have said they hope to set off a court battle by finding a Montana resident to notify the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that he or she will build and sell "made in Montana" rifles without federal licensing.

If not allowed to proceed, the resident would file a lawsuit in the hope of making it to the U.S. Supreme Court for a final ruling.

"This will be the test case, to challenge the federal law," Berman said. "I’m very interested in our Second Amendment rights under the Constitution."


Bill watch: Guns

Description: HB 1863, exempting Texas-made and Texas-sold weapons and ammo that do not leave the state from federal requirements; HB 1893, which would let a person with a concealed-handgun license carry a weapon on a college campus; SB 729, which would give a person some legal protection for carrying a gun into a bar if management has not posted a sign; SB 730, which would let people take handguns to work and leave them locked in their car.

How to track: Go to http://www.legis.state.tx.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and search for the bills by their number.
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This is irrelevant. it will not stand constitutional muster via SCOTUS. Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce. Case law has extended that to effectively include anything that could coneivably cross state lines, or its effect therein.

Grandstanding nonsense.
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frazzled wrote:This is irrelevant. it will not stand constitutional muster via SCOTUS. Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce. Case law has extended that to effectively include anything that could coneivably cross state lines, or its effect therein.

Grandstanding nonsense.
Probably so. If I heard Glenn Beck discuss this correctly today, SCOTUS said (years back to a farmer) that even if you produce something totally in state, without using resources from out of state, you are engaging in interstate commerce, because you have affected interstate commerce by NOT buying from out of state.

The guy was a wheat farmer who grew his own wheat to use for himself. Grew, harvested, ground, and baked on his own farm. Since he affected interstate commerce by not buying, he was subject to interstate commerce regulations.

Or something like that. If true, I almost have to say I can't wrap my head around it, but as long as government is involved, there's no end to the goofiness. So, it will probably fail to pass muster at some point. I don't know of any iron mines and steel mills in the state, unless we make all the guns out of ALCOA aluminum.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause wrote:Congress could apply national quotas to wheat grown on one's own land, for one's own consumption, because the total of such local production and consumption was sufficiently large as to impact the overall goal of stabilizing prices.
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They (the Federal government) will figure out a way to control your property one way or another. Much of our liberty is an illusion, and we are able to practice it only because they have not had a desire to remove it...yet. Just like they determined the federal government could make that farmer stop growing wheat for his own use on his own property back then.

One of the classic cases of wrongdoing by our federal government that stands out in history.

They used "butterfly effect" logic to justify trampling the rights of the individual and blasphemed the sacred liberties our forefathers gave their lives for.
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:iagree:
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Precisely why the Democratic party is the party of lawyers.

Everytime they pass a law it is to take away another freedom and give THEM more power.

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stroo wrote:Do we have any gun manufacturers in Texas?
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