Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Tex1961 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:23 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by bblhd672 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:27 pm

Tex1961 wrote:But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
The untrained, unlicensed criminals are already walking around with concealed firearm...I know I don't like that, especially if I'm not legally doing the same.

Hopefully the OK Senate passes the bill and it is signed into law by the Gov.


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Post by WTR » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:28 pm

Anyone can open carry here in NM, but you have to be licensed to CC.


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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:34 pm

Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
I feel the same way about unlicensed, untrained folks posting on the internet, exercising their religious beliefs, and voting in our elections.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by rotor » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:39 pm

Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
I previously held the same views. Previously. People in Texas without a permit can have a gun in their vehicle now. Bad guys don't follow the law and they carry without a permit now. I think the more good guys carrying makes it better for all of us, especially when it comes to voting and when one party wants to take those rights away. The other issue is that I don't know beyond the course given now in Texas how many people do any significant training after getting a LTC yet we haven't seen any problems. So, I am for it.

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Post by ScottDLS » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:40 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
I feel the same way about unlicensed, untrained folks posting on the :smilelol5: internet, exercising their religious beliefs, and voting in our elections.
I am a “butter”. I’m all PRO freedom of religion BUT I’m worried about all those Jehovah’s witnesses walking around my neighborhood unlicensed and untrained. :smilelol5:
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by strogg » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:45 pm

In Texas, "trained" would be people who know some amount of Texas law and are able to shoot somewhere near the middle of a giant sheet of paper. It's not difficult. So constitutional carry in a state like Oklahoma where the gun culture is woven into society? Works for me. But if constitutional carry would be passed in a state like California, I'd honestly be worried. Not that I don't trust the typical gun owner in CA, but there are enough crazies there that it genuinely would be a problem. Just my $.02 on the issue.


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Post by WTR » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:47 pm

rotor wrote:
Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
I previously held the same views. Previously. People in Texas without a permit can have a gun in their vehicle now. Bad guys don't follow the law and they carry without a permit now. I think the more good guys carrying makes it better for all of us, especially when it comes to voting and when one party wants to take those rights away. The other issue is that I don't know beyond the course given now in Texas how many people do any significant training after getting a LTC yet we haven't seen any problems. So, I am for it.
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I've learned more about the legal responsibilities of carrying here on this forum than I did in my class. As far as practical use of a firearm, my Dad did that well enough for me to shoot a perfect score. For me the class was a formality and a joke.

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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Allons » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:00 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
Tex1961 wrote:But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
The untrained, unlicensed criminals are already walking around with concealed firearm...I know I don't like that, especially if I'm not legally doing the same.

Hopefully the OK Senate passes the bill and it is signed into law by the Gov.
:iagree: With the unlicensed criminals totally right.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by RicoTX » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:35 pm

anygunanywhere wrote: I'm PRO carry BUT....

Please spare me the buts because you obviously are not Pro freedom.

The Second Amendment says a well regulated militia which means well trained militia is necessary for a FREE state. The Second Amendment says nothing about permission slips or required training. No other right has these requirements so why do people insist my Second Amendment rights require licensing or training?
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Post by Jusme » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:18 pm

I hope this passes in OK. While there are those who believe that only those properly "trained" should be allowed to carry, I say, having an LTC, only means we have been given "permission" to exercise a right that should not be infringed. As others have posted, the "training" one actually receives, is pretty limited. If I had only that training, I would feel very inadequate, in carrying everyday.
I feel the same way when I hear someone say that only "trained LEO should carry guns." As a former LEO, I know exactly how little training they receive, and how little effort they have to put in to re-qualify.

Law abiding citizens, should not be restricted from carrying firearms. Period. No other Constitutional right, requires training, or special permission, to be exercised. JMHO
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Post by Allons » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:25 pm

Jusme wrote:I hope this passes in OK. While there are those who believe that only those properly "trained" should be allowed to carry, I say, having an LTC, only means we have been given "permission" to exercise a right that should not be infringed. As others have posted, the "training" one actually receives, is pretty limited. If I had only that training, I would feel very inadequate, in carrying everyday.
I feel the same way when I hear someone say that only "trained LEO should carry guns." As a former LEO, I know exactly how little training they receive, and how little effort they have to put in to re-qualify.

Law abiding citizens, should not be restricted from carrying firearms. Period. No other Constitutional right, requires training, or special permission, to be exercised. JMHO
:iagree: That is why I train at least 200 rounds a month. I just got my license but I have been doing this for the last 6 months or so. I also had 10 years of military experience firing all kinds of weapons. Just because you have a LTC does not mean you should not train and train frequently.
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Post by sbrawley » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:27 pm

Hope it passes, that way Texas can follow suit :biggrinjester:
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by OlBill » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:24 pm

Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
Mind if I ask what training you've had?

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