Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
I feel the same way about unlicensed, untrained folks posting on the internet, exercising their religious beliefs, and voting in our elections.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by lonestar144 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:08 pm

I'm all for Constitutional carry and wish Texas would pass it. Yeah, there may be a lot of folk out there carrying that don't have "training", but the majority of gun owners in the US now don't have any kind of training and it ain't all gone to yet. There are more people out driving, with a license, that has no business on the roads. This so called training, is just another attack on our R2KBA. Only until recently, was one required to have any kind of training. For many decades before that, no firearm owner had any kind of training, except where to keep the muzzle pointed, how to load a firearm and proper aiming. Seems we survived from all these untrained gun owners. The thing is, today's society has removed any kind of common sense from people and most are not willing to teach or willing to learn. Our technology is killing us, in more ways than one.

On another note. If Constitutional carry was to be passed, I don't see any more folk carrying than who is already carrying with their permits. We would just be able to carry without permission.


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Post by howdy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:00 pm

My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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howdy wrote:My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
Easy, if you have a license, you get to carry same as LEO. 30.06/.07 signs apply to unlicensed. Then in a few years when nothing happens, signs go away and we get true constitutional carry. Too bad we can't just jump straight to constitutional carry.


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jason812 wrote:
howdy wrote:My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
Easy, if you have a license, you get to carry same as LEO. 30.06/.07 signs apply to unlicensed. Then in a few years when nothing happens, signs go away and we get true constitutional carry. Too bad we can't just jump straight to constitutional carry.
I wish but using your logic we shouldn't have 30.06/07 signs now. But we can all hope for a change.

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Post by Grundy1133 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:21 pm

Wyoming has constitutional carry. has for awhile and you never hear anything about shootings happening up there. I think people who want to carry for self defense are going to get some form of training or another so that they will be apt to protect themselves should they need to...
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Grundy1133 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:33 pm

rotor wrote:
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howdy wrote:My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
Easy, if you have a license, you get to carry same as LEO. 30.06/.07 signs apply to unlicensed. Then in a few years when nothing happens, signs go away and we get true constitutional carry. Too bad we can't just jump straight to constitutional carry.
I wish but using your logic we shouldn't have 30.06/07 signs now. But we can all hope for a change.
I think if constitutional carry passes, the 30.07 30.06 signs would either come down, or establishments would add the blue "unlicensed possession" signs to their doors and windows. that would bar anyone with a license nad anyone without a license so they'd have their bases covered...
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Grundy1133 wrote:
rotor wrote:
jason812 wrote:
howdy wrote:My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
Easy, if you have a license, you get to carry same as LEO. 30.06/.07 signs apply to unlicensed. Then in a few years when nothing happens, signs go away and we get true constitutional carry. Too bad we can't just jump straight to constitutional carry.
I wish but using your logic we shouldn't have 30.06/07 signs now. But we can all hope for a change.
I think if constitutional carry passes, the 30.07 30.06 signs would either come down, or establishments would add the blue "unlicensed possession" signs to their doors and windows. that would bar anyone with a license nad anyone without a license so they'd have their bases covered...
Not sure what you mean. Blue signs? Alcohol signs? Blue alcohol does not bar you from entering now with a LTC.

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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Grundy1133 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:14 am

rotor wrote:
Grundy1133 wrote:
rotor wrote:
jason812 wrote:
howdy wrote:My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
Easy, if you have a license, you get to carry same as LEO. 30.06/.07 signs apply to unlicensed. Then in a few years when nothing happens, signs go away and we get true constitutional carry. Too bad we can't just jump straight to constitutional carry.
I wish but using your logic we shouldn't have 30.06/07 signs now. But we can all hope for a change.
I think if constitutional carry passes, the 30.07 30.06 signs would either come down, or establishments would add the blue "unlicensed possession" signs to their doors and windows. that would bar anyone with a license nad anyone without a license so they'd have their bases covered...
Not sure what you mean. Blue signs? Alcohol signs? Blue alcohol does not bar you from entering now with a LTC.
I'm not talking about the 51% sign becuase it says licensed OR unlicensed... the blue sign im talking about is this one Image since this sign applies to UNLICENSED gun carriers (constitutional carry) and the 30.06/30.07 signs apply to LICENSED carriers, they have all their bases covered.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by apostate » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:22 am

Grundy1133 wrote:
rotor wrote:
Grundy1133 wrote:
rotor wrote:
jason812 wrote:
howdy wrote:My only concern is that the 30.06/30.07 signs would not be valid for those that do not have a license so the politicians would have to come up with another method for antis to keep out those who carry. Would they go to a ghost buster sign to keep out the unlicensed and 30.06/07 for the licensed or just a ghost buster sign for all those who carry. We saw a boat load more 30.06 signs go up after open carry was passed and very few of us take advantage of open carry. (I was for open carry) It is just too easy now to get a license and maintain that license. I just don't like the politicians getting any more involved with our gun rights. Sometimes we regret getting what we wish for.
Easy, if you have a license, you get to carry same as LEO. 30.06/.07 signs apply to unlicensed. Then in a few years when nothing happens, signs go away and we get true constitutional carry. Too bad we can't just jump straight to constitutional carry.
I wish but using your logic we shouldn't have 30.06/07 signs now. But we can all hope for a change.
I think if constitutional carry passes, the 30.07 30.06 signs would either come down, or establishments would add the blue "unlicensed possession" signs to their doors and windows. that would bar anyone with a license nad anyone without a license so they'd have their bases covered...
Not sure what you mean. Blue signs? Alcohol signs? Blue alcohol does not bar you from entering now with a LTC.
I'm not talking about the 51% sign becuase it says licensed OR unlicensed... the blue sign im talking about is this one Image since this sign applies to UNLICENSED gun carriers (constitutional carry) and the 30.06/30.07 signs apply to LICENSED carriers, they have all their bases covered.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by RossA » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:36 am

Since I understand the concern about "untrained" people carrying guns, I re-read the Second Amendment. It does NOT say:

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed if a person has state approved training.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am

You wouldn't need to change the law at all. Unless I'm mistaken, property owners currently can grant conditional permission to enter their property. But this takes more than a "ghost buster" type sign with a circle/slash through a picture of something. A sign like the following would be legally enforceable right now, I believe. Lawyers please chime in if I am mistaken.
Entry onto this property is granted subject to the following conditions:
1. You must have voted in the last U.S. Presidential election.
2. You must have never in your life supported any candidate for any political party other than the Libertarian party, in any way whatsoever.
3. You must be wearing underwear.
4. Such underwear must not be of the form commonly known as "boxers".
5. You must be wearing a small medallion in the shape of the state of Texas on a chain around your neck. Such chain must be between 16 and 32 inches in total length.
6. You must not be in possession of any firearms.
7. You must be in possession of socks, but you are not required to be wearing them on your feet.
8. You must not have any intent to commit any crimes upon entry to this property, or to cause any harm whatsoever to come to any other person during your visit, even if the infliction of such harm is not illegal. This includes intentionally hurting someone's feelings.

If you are not in compliance with 3 or more of the above conditions then you do not have permission to enter these premises, and any entry on your part will constitute trespassing, except that if you are not in compliance with entry condition 6 or 8, then that one condition of non-compliance will be sufficient to constitute trespassing on it's own even if the total conditions you are not compliant with are less than 3.
If property owners want to get "cute" with such conditional permissions for entry, they can do so, and anyone violating their conditions would be guilty of trespass under section 30.05. They just need to clearly state that entry is not permitted if you don't meet their conditions.

I would also point out that we currently have constitutional carry in Texas. The only exception is for some guns (handguns) and then only in certain circumstances (outside your home / vehicle). Any discussion really should just be about eliminating these few exceptions to our current constitutional carry rights.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:31 pm

Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
I feel great about it. One more state that understands that the 2nd Amendment says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. They preceded us with licensed open carry too. I recall no headlines about blood running in the streets. Oklahomans - despite the fact that their football sucks :mrgreen: - are leading the way. Good for them. If this bill gets signed into law, they’ll prove that Constitutional Carry will not cause blood to run in the streets either......just as in other states that have had it for a long time.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by OldCurlyWolf » Wed May 02, 2018 6:22 pm

Tex1961 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04 ... -bill.html


I dunno.. I'm all PRO carry (obviously). But untrained, unlicensed folks walking around with a concealed firearm... Just don't know how I feel about that.
That is Part of what the 2nd Amendment means. Licensing laws are quite literally unconstitutional. To some it may not be sensible but that is the root of it.
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