GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by mojo84 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm

Pawpaw wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:38 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:25 pm
Clips? Firepower? Need? 9?

How fast does your car go? Does it exceed the maximum speed limit? Do you a car that goes that fast?

How Big is your house? I bet you don't ned a house that size?

Fortunately, our country isn't a needs based society.
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by Liberty » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:34 pm

mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm
Pawpaw wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:38 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:25 pm
Clips? Firepower? Need? 9?

How fast does your car go? Does it exceed the maximum speed limit? Do you a car that goes that fast?

How Big is your house? I bet you don't ned a house that size?

Fortunately, our country isn't a needs based society.
Please don't feed the troll.
Too much fun not to. :mrgreen:
You guys are pretty tough on a new guy who seems to be agreeing with y'all. He wasn't trolling just agreeing. Sometimes it's a good idea to think and reread before we comment.
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by Pawpaw » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:41 pm

Liberty wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:34 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm
Pawpaw wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:38 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:25 pm
Clips? Firepower? Need? 9?

How fast does your car go? Does it exceed the maximum speed limit? Do you a car that goes that fast?

How Big is your house? I bet you don't ned a house that size?

Fortunately, our country isn't a needs based society.
Please don't feed the troll.
Too much fun not to. :mrgreen:
You guys are pretty tough on a new guy who seems to be agreeing with y'all. He wasn't trolling just agreeing. Sometimes it's a good idea to think and reread before we comment.
You apparently didn't see his now deleted post in the meme thread. He wasn't agreeing, he was trying to educate the poor gun nuts.
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by Liberty » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:29 pm

Pawpaw wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:41 pm
Liberty wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:34 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:58 pm
Pawpaw wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:38 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:25 pm
Clips? Firepower? Need? 9?

How fast does your car go? Does it exceed the maximum speed limit? Do you a car that goes that fast?

How Big is your house? I bet you don't ned a house that size?

Fortunately, our country isn't a needs based society.
Please don't feed the troll.
Too much fun not to. :mrgreen:
You guys are pretty tough on a new guy who seems to be agreeing with y'all. He wasn't trolling just agreeing. Sometimes it's a good idea to think and reread before we comment.
You apparently didn't see his now deleted post in the meme thread. He wasn't agreeing, he was trying to educate the poor gun nuts.
I was wrong. I saw the :iagree: icon and assumed he was a newbie, making an awkward post agreeing with every one. I looked like it was his first post. What I didn't notice is that he gave his location as everytown dot org. Please accept my humble apologies for jumping the gun.
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by Grumpy1993 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:37 pm

The problem is he's right. If ATF can ban bump stocks by misinterpreting the NFA definition of machinegun, what's to stop ATF from banning other firearm accessories by misinterpreting other laws? I don't know what laws they could twist to ban standard capacity magazines (and if I did, I wouldn't post details on a public forum) but allowing this gross misinterpretation to stand further undermines the rule of law. The people giving Trump a free pass, when they would have fought tooth and nails against the Obama administration doing the same thing, are no friends to the second amendment.
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by mojo84 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:09 pm

Grumpy1993 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:37 pm
The problem is he's right. If ATF can ban bump stocks by misinterpreting the NFA definition of machinegun, what's to stop ATF from banning other firearm accessories by misinterpreting other laws? I don't know what laws they could twist to ban standard capacity magazines (and if I did, I wouldn't post details on a public forum) but allowing this gross misinterpretation to stand further undermines the rule of law. The people giving Trump a free pass, when they would have fought tooth and nails against the Obama administration doing the same thing, are no friends to the second amendment.
No. He is not right.

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Post by Oldgringo » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:52 pm

Anybody notice the date of his1st post?

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Post by mojo84 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:10 pm

Oldgringo wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:52 pm
Anybody notice the date of his1st post?
Yes

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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by AndyC » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:02 pm

Dennis B wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:13 pm
The same arguments are used for clips bigger than 9 rounds. There's no need for civilians to have that much firepower.
Fortunately there's a federal judge in Cali who disagrees with you:
“Millions of ammunition magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds are in common use by law-abiding responsible citizens for lawful uses like self-defense. This is enough to decide that a magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds passes the Heller test.“
U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez in Duncan v. Becerra

In the opening pages of the ruling, Benitez recounted three instances of home invasions. In two examples, women fired at the intruders but ran out of bullets. So much for "Nobody needs more than 10 rounds" - but you're very welcome to open your house to us and we'll help remove everything you don't "need", just so that you can stay consistent in your beliefs.
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Post by crazy2medic » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:48 pm

Are there any pending law suits on this or have they all been settled or thrown out?
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Post by AndyC » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:03 pm

Gun rights advocates on Wednesday gave notice that they will seek a stay from the Supreme Court after US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld lower court ruling on Monday that denied their request to lift the Trump administration’s bump stocks ban.
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Post by rtschl » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:14 pm

RW Arms has filed a lawsuit against the US claiming losses of $20 million.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... million-in

The company, which touts itself as the nation’s largest supplier of bump stocks, claims the government enacted the ban on the devices “without just compensation … in violation of the 5th Amendment of the United States Constitution.”

Press release from RW Arms: https://www.rwarms.com/industry/largest ... overnment/
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by anygunanywhere » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:24 pm

rtschl wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:14 pm
RW Arms has filed a lawsuit against the US claiming losses of $20 million.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... million-in

The company, which touts itself as the nation’s largest supplier of bump stocks, claims the government enacted the ban on the devices “without just compensation … in violation of the 5th Amendment of the United States Constitution.”

Press release from RW Arms: https://www.rwarms.com/industry/largest ... overnment/
I expect a SCOTUS decision on this.
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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by Scott Farkus » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:42 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:24 pm
I expect a SCOTUS decision on this.
Not until we get a replacement for Ginsburg and maybe even Breyer. They've been refusing to hear 2A cases for some time now.

Although this is a lot more than a 2A case at this point.

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Re: GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by mojo84 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:48 pm

Scott Farkus wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:42 pm
anygunanywhere wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:24 pm
I expect a SCOTUS decision on this.
Not until we get a replacement for Ginsburg and maybe even Breyer. They've been refusing to hear 2A cases for some time now.

Although this is a lot more than a 2A case at this point.
How is it determined that a case will be heard by SCOTUS? Does it take a unanimous agreement? Never really studied this question.

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