Sen. Graham announces red flag legislation

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Sen. Graham announces red flag legislation

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Post by Syntyr » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:43 pm

And away we go...

https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/05/grah ... -red-flag/

First order create red flad laws so that weapons can be taken on the word of anonymous complaint

Second order institute universal background checks. This creates defacto registration.

Third order turn off or delay background checks so that no weapons can be sold.

Final solution start picking them up.
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Post by jb2012 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 pm

Dan Crenshaw has already promoted this... pretty disappointing, I had considered him to be such a fine example until today.


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Post by jason812 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:58 pm

From dog catcher to the presidency, it's going to be hard to vote for any Republican candidate in the future.

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Post by Oldgringo » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:02 pm

Gird your loins, my 2A brothers and sisters, it is coming. Only Congressional and federal judgeship term Limits have a chance of stemming this anti-gun storm tide.


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Post by howdy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:02 pm

The people pushing these laws only touch the surface of what they really want. "Of course, we want to keep the guns out of the hands of crazy people, so we need "red flag" laws. Of course we want universal background checks to buy guns" What they don't cover is how many people will be denied due process when an ex girlfriend/boyfriend accuses them of being crazy or the fact that the government can't control people selling guns unless they know where all the guns are(registration). The law the House has passed allows the government access to all the background checks to purchase a gun.
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Post by Syntyr » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:14 pm

howdy wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:02 pm
The people pushing these laws only touch the surface of what they really want. "Of course, we want to keep the guns out of the hands of crazy people, so we need "red flag" laws. Of course we want universal background checks to buy guns" What they don't cover is how many people will be denied due process when an ex girlfriend/boyfriend accuses them of being crazy or the fact that the government can't control people selling guns unless they know where all the guns are(registration). The law the House has passed allows the government access to all the background checks to purchase a gun.
Exactly. Just make it a law that crazy people shouldn't have guns! Seems sane to me. Just expand what meets the definition of crazy. "Oh you want another gun? Well thats crazy!" Turn them in!

Its like Catch 22 by Heller. You can get out of the army if you are crazy. But by asking to get out of the army that means your sane, so you stay!
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Post by carlson1 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:14 pm

Yep the law against killing others worked real well to prevent these two shootings this weekend.

The leftists politicians are headed towards take ALL guns. Other country’s do not have as many murders with guns like the United States. It makes sense right? Just overlook the use truck, knives, hatchets, machetes, bombs, etc... before long we want have a butter knife. Why did they not band Ryder trucks after the Oklahoma City bombing?

They are Chopin away at the Constitution a little at a time. They want to make the “undocumented workers” legal so they can keep voting democrat. Say what you will, but I do not see this stopping. We are headed down hill like a snowball headed to hades. :rules:
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Post by DynamicDan » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:54 am

Well, let them know why this is a bad idea. Otherwise let's just give up and cry.


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Post by Grayling813 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:55 am

Just say no.

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Post by Grayling813 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:57 am

jb2012 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 pm
Dan Crenshaw has already promoted this... pretty disappointing, I had considered him to be such a fine example until today.
:iagree:
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Post by Richbirdhunter » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:00 am

I’m worried about Lindsey Graham and Dan Crenshaw, let’s take their guns. We can’t be to safe.
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Post by dlh » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:21 am

The link says it is a "federal grant program" to encourage states to adopt red flag laws--not a "federal red flag statute" like some states already have.
A federal red flag statute would of course be a nightmare to enforce even setting aside its questionable constitutionality. They would need many more U.S. marshals, FBI, ATF agents, etc. to enforce such a program at the federal level.

What happened to the proposed red-flag law from this past Texas legislative session? In that proposed legislation could law enforcement take your guns even before the hearing, based on a sworn affidavit of a complainant and an order from a judge or would they have to serve you with process, hold, a hearing, then take your guns? The devil is in the details--a big devil indeed.
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Post by crazy2medic » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:15 am

Taking somebodies property and denial of due process of law will go to the Supreme Court quick!
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Post by rotor » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:50 am

If you had a relative that was truly crazy and a potential threat and had firearms how would you deal with them?
Hypothetically of course.

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Post by JustSomeOldGuy » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:57 am

Richbirdhunter wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:00 am
I’m worried about Lindsey Graham and Dan Crenshaw, let’s take their guns. We can’t be to safe.
No let's take their pens. That's what they're creating future mayhem with........(vote them out)
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