Alert! Volunteers needed to protect Trump Supporters at Dallas Rally

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Post by Tex1961 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:13 am

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/alert- ... z62HXFdPQa

This is from an article on Ammoland...
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Post by RoyGBiv » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:23 am

Let's assume that the organizers are all 100% competent, capable folks. The thing that scares me is that a veritable call to arms like this will attract a fair share of Derps and Fudds, violating the rule against going armed into places where violence can be expected (from antifa and their ilk).

Nevertheless, I find myself enticed to lend a hand.
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Post by kayt00 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:48 am

RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:23 am
Let's assume that the organizers are all 100% competent, capable folks. The thing that scares me is that a veritable call to arms like this will attract a fair share of Derps and Fudds, violating the rule against going armed into places where violence can be expected (from antifa and their ilk).

Nevertheless, I find myself enticed to lend a hand.
:iagree:
I just want to see the protesters first hand. Odds are that I won't get in to see and listen to POTUS but it would be interesting to go nonetheless.
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Post by chasfm11 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:20 am

RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:23 am
Let's assume that the organizers are all 100% competent, capable folks. The thing that scares me is that a veritable call to arms like this will attract a fair share of Derps and Fudds, violating the rule against going armed into places where violence can be expected (from antifa and their ilk).

Nevertheless, I find myself enticed to lend a hand.
The problem is the one we faced at the NRA convention in Dallas. We had tickets for the Executive sessions - and then the President became one of the speakers. There was no where to put our guns while in the meeting hall where they weren't going to be allowed so we ended up going to the convention unarmed, traveling by rail to get there. As long as you don't plan on going in side, it should be OK. AAC has those big screens outside and and if you can get into the plaza to watch the Trump Rally, you will probably get a better view than the nose-bleed seats inside the arena. Given the Dallas area history of counter protests, I predict with 100% certainty that there will be counter protestors at this one. It remains to be seen about how many and how violent they try to become. I have little confidence in Chief Hall's commitment to keep Trump supporters safe.
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Post by anygunanywhere » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:09 am

RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:23 am
Let's assume that the organizers are all 100% competent, capable folks. The thing that scares me is that a veritable call to arms like this will attract a fair share of Derps and Fudds, violating the rule against going armed into places where violence can be expected (from antifa and their ilk).

Nevertheless, I find myself enticed to lend a hand.
Oathkeepers is vetting all of the volunteers. Oathkeepers provided security in Minneapolis for the rally and were also in El Paso for the Antifa boondoggle. Oathkeepers provided security in Missouri during the festivities after the shooting there. You have not heard any stories of Oathkeepers going ape during the events and I assure you that you most certainly would hear about it because the communist media would be all over it. All you hear is silence because the communists are the once going full on ape poop.
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Post by RoyGBiv » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:30 am

anygunanywhere wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:09 am
RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:23 am
Let's assume that the organizers are all 100% competent, capable folks. The thing that scares me is that a veritable call to arms like this will attract a fair share of Derps and Fudds, violating the rule against going armed into places where violence can be expected (from antifa and their ilk).

Nevertheless, I find myself enticed to lend a hand.
Oathkeepers is vetting all of the volunteers. Oathkeepers provided security in Minneapolis for the rally and were also in El Paso for the Antifa boondoggle. Oathkeepers provided security in Missouri during the festivities after the shooting there. You have not heard any stories of Oathkeepers going ape during the events and I assure you that you most certainly would hear about it because the communist media would be all over it. All you hear is silence because the communists are the once going full on ape poop.
Having zero experience volunteering as an armed participant in something like this (my volunteer work with the local PD does not allow bearing arms), I'm inclined towards considering some HAM or other work, to build some trust for how well vetting is actually accomplished.

This bit in particular worries me from the OP link.. emphasis mine, below. Again... not casting aspersions on anyone or any organization... just that my inner dialogue is trying to balance having no LE authority, breaking a rule to avoid conflict when it's entirely avoidable, but wanting to find out more about the folks involved in these events.
If you are the leader of a motorcycle club, riding club, association, or group that is interested in helping with security, or the leader of a squared away, professional three percent group, firearms association, or other patriot group, please email us at the same oathkeepersok@gmail.com email, but please add “Security Leader” in the subject line and tell us who you are with (we will trust you to vet your own men).
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Post by anygunanywhere » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:56 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:30 am
anygunanywhere wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:09 am
RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:23 am
Let's assume that the organizers are all 100% competent, capable folks. The thing that scares me is that a veritable call to arms like this will attract a fair share of Derps and Fudds, violating the rule against going armed into places where violence can be expected (from antifa and their ilk).

Nevertheless, I find myself enticed to lend a hand.
Oathkeepers is vetting all of the volunteers. Oathkeepers provided security in Minneapolis for the rally and were also in El Paso for the Antifa boondoggle. Oathkeepers provided security in Missouri during the festivities after the shooting there. You have not heard any stories of Oathkeepers going ape during the events and I assure you that you most certainly would hear about it because the communist media would be all over it. All you hear is silence because the communists are the once going full on ape poop.
Having zero experience volunteering as an armed participant in something like this (my volunteer work with the local PD does not allow bearing arms), I'm inclined towards considering some HAM or other work, to build some trust for how well vetting is actually accomplished.

This bit in particular worries me from the OP link.. emphasis mine, below. Again... not casting aspersions on anyone or any organization... just that my inner dialogue is trying to balance having no LE authority, breaking a rule to avoid conflict when it's entirely avoidable, but wanting to find out more about the folks involved in these events.
If you are the leader of a motorcycle club, riding club, association, or group that is interested in helping with security, or the leader of a squared away, professional three percent group, firearms association, or other patriot group, please email us at the same oathkeepersok@gmail.com email, but please add “Security Leader” in the subject line and tell us who you are with (we will trust you to vet your own men).
The security volunteers will not be armed.
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Post by crazy2medic » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:34 pm

There is No Way I would do this without at least my baton, prefer to be armed with my Para
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Post by Redneck_Buddha » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:03 pm

It is a big ask to provide security without carrying protection.

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Post by RoyGBiv » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:51 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:56 pm
The security volunteers will not be armed.
From about 6-7 paragraphs down the OP link... I assumed the plan would be similar here, but, you know what happens when you assume.
We had multiple four-man escort teams out, made up of both armed (MN CCW credentialed and carrying concealed) and unarmed security escort volunteers.
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Post by anygunanywhere » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:03 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:51 pm
anygunanywhere wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:56 pm
The security volunteers will not be armed.
From about 6-7 paragraphs down the OP link... I assumed the plan would be similar here, but, you know what happens when you assume.
We had multiple four-man escort teams out, made up of both armed (MN CCW credentialed and carrying concealed) and unarmed security escort volunteers.
Thank you for that. That is different from information I received from Oathkeepers. I would have had a problem with being called security under Texas law while armed under my LTC. I’m not sure that would fly.
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Post by hondo44 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:16 pm

I'm trying to make it over there to help provide security. If I go to the rally I'll be wearing my red "Where's Beau?" shirt.
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Post by flintknapper » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:31 pm

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:16 pm
I'm trying to make it over there to help provide security. If I go to the rally I'll be wearing my red "Where's Beau?" shirt.
No doubt. :roll:
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Post by Vol Texan » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:18 pm

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:16 pm
I'm trying to make it over there to help provide security. If I go to the rally I'll be wearing my red "Where's Beau?" shirt.
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Post by Grayling813 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:52 pm

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:16 pm
I'm trying to make it over there to help provide security. If I go to the rally I'll be wearing my red "Where's Beau?" shirt.
Excellent idea, a target to distract the protesters!
The protesters can kick your butt while everyone else goes home safe. :biggrinjester:

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