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Thief steals tip jar at St Louis Starbucks. Customer chases thief. Thief kills customer.

Deceased's family forgives thief and blames Starbucks. I'm sure it's not about greed.

Links for the local (St Louis) coverage and International coverage.

When I lived in Albuqueruqe the same thing happened.

Thief stole a tip jar with about 2 bucks in it.

Shot the clerk anyway.

Got caught a block away.

I do not understand the thought process of the armed robber and murderer.

So it's foreseeable that a customer at Starbucks will be involved in an Auto-Pedestrian accident if there's a tip jar on an open counter inside where coffee is served?

The crook was getting in the car and ...

okie dokie.
(I worked for a Plaintiff's firm, but we wouldn't have taken that case.)

PappaGun wrote:When I lived in Albuqueruqe the same thing happened.

Thief stole a tip jar with about 2 bucks in it.

Shot the clerk anyway.

Got caught a block away.

I do not understand the thought process of the armed robber and murderer.

It makes more sense when you recognize that robbery has a significant power tripping component to it. It is not a purely economic crime like shoplifting as many people think.

Excaliber,

Not being argumentative, but I think there is a "power tripping" or "above the rules" component to crime in general.

In college I knew a woman who stole things from Walgreens (drugstore chain like CVS). She called it "taking", did not concede it was really stealing. She did not need to "take" or steal these things, she had money to pay - it was almost a game to her.

Anyway, the study of pathological behavior might be very interesting and informative, but I'd prefer to study it in a book than "on the street" first hand, given the choice.

Regards,
Andrew

Excaliber wrote:It makes more sense when you recognize that robbery has a significant power tripping component to it. It is not a purely economic crime like shoplifting as many people think.

If you read the story, he grabbed the tip jar on the way out. It doesn't say anything about threats, so it sounds like petty theft, same as shoplifting.

The incident happened on March 3 2008 when Poisson was at the Starbucks counter with his girlfriend.

As they turned to leave Poisson swiped the tip jar from the counter, something the next customer Mr Kreutz spotted.

Shoot Straight wrote:Thief steals tip jar at St Louis Starbucks. Customer chases thief. Thief kills customer.

Deceased's family forgives thief and blames Starbucks. I'm sure it's not about greed.

Links for the local (St Louis) coverage and International coverage.

Starbucks has more money to sue for then a petty thief, now murder.

these kinds of stories make me sick. theses kinds of lawsuits breed the dont think for yourself culture we live in. it's deplorable

Texas_Tactical wrote:these kinds of stories make me sick. theses kinds of lawsuits breed the dont think for yourself culture we live in. it's deplorable

One of the reasons I think there should be a classification of civil suits where the plaintiff must post a litigation bond before they can file suit.

I wish I could be on the jury of that trial.

RPB wrote:So it's foreseeable that a customer at Starbucks will be involved in an Auto-Pedestrian accident if there's a tip jar on an open counter inside where coffee is served?

The crook was getting in the car and ...

okie dokie.
(I worked for a Plaintiff's firm, but we wouldn't have taken that case.)

you had never made that connection before? look both ways before you order your starbucks

I'm at a loss here. Is this some sort of a joke? This looks like something you would read on The Onion. I could not find ANYWHERE in the story where this little piece work was charged for robbery and/or manslaughter and he is loose on the streets. If a tip jar on a Starbucks Counter counter promotes murder then Rosie O'Donnel should sue Dunkin Doughnuts.

So how come the estate isn't suing Ford. They have more money.

I would sincerely hope that there is a DA in St. Louis who won't be so quick to join hands in forgiveness and put this little murdering creep where he belongs. People should be held accountable for their actions.

esxmarkc wrote:I'm at a loss here. Is this some sort of a joke? This looks like something you would read on The Onion. I could not find ANYWHERE in the story where this little piece work was charged for robbery and/or manslaughter and he is loose on the streets. If a tip jar on a Starbucks Counter counter promotes murder then Rosie O'Donnel should sue Dunkin Doughnuts.

So how come the estate isn't suing Ford. They have more money.

I would sincerely hope that there is a DA in St. Louis who won't be so quick to join hands in forgiveness and put this little murdering creep where he belongs. People should be held accountable for their actions.

Ut oh .... now they will ... lawyer prolly didn't think of it till you brung it up

Probably checking the calendar for the "joinder" deadline as we write ...

esxmarkc wrote:I'm at a loss here. Is this some sort of a joke? This looks like something you would read on The Onion. I could not find ANYWHERE in the story where this little piece work was charged for robbery and/or manslaughter and he is loose on the streets. If a tip jar on a Starbucks Counter counter promotes murder then Rosie O'Donnel should sue Dunkin Doughnuts.

So how come the estate isn't suing Ford. They have more money.

I would sincerely hope that there is a DA in St. Louis who won't be so quick to join hands in forgiveness and put this little murdering creep where he belongs. People should be held accountable for their actions.

He did a year for involuntary manslaughter.

On a side note. If I see someone grab the tip jar and take off I'm not gonna do a thing. it's not worth it to chase someone over a tip jar with a few bucks in it.

Texas_Tactical wrote:

esxmarkc wrote:I'm at a loss here. Is this some sort of a joke? This looks like something you would read on The Onion. I could not find ANYWHERE in the story where this little piece work was charged for robbery and/or manslaughter and he is loose on the streets. If a tip jar on a Starbucks Counter counter promotes murder then Rosie O'Donnel should sue Dunkin Doughnuts.

So how come the estate isn't suing Ford. They have more money.

I would sincerely hope that there is a DA in St. Louis who won't be so quick to join hands in forgiveness and put this little murdering creep where he belongs. People should be held accountable for their actions.

He did a year for involuntary manslaughter.

On a side note. If I see someone grab the tip jar and take off I'm not gonna do a thing. it's not worth it to chase someone over a tip jar with a few bucks in it.

if as a customer, I watched some one run off, with anything that was properity of the buisness, I wouldnt give chase. unless I am going to get free coffee for life I have no interest in protecting their properity