I work with the gubermnt (FAA) on a daily basis. One of the things they are proud of saying is, "We don't answer 'why' questions."Bryanmc wrote:Why is that? Is it because they didn't have a way to modify 30.06 when 30.07 was created but wrote 30.07 to be more specific? When you think of large stores that have entrances on 3 sides of the building, how can a 30.06 posting at only one entrance be sufficient? Is it a defense if you entered through the unposted door and therefore weren't given notice?C-dub wrote:As Mel has reminded us, only 30.07 is required at each entrance, while 30.06 is not.
*edit* Got called away and hit post after Keith had posted.
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Re: 2 stores in one building one posted and one is not
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Re: 2 stores in one building one posted and one is not
I get that (I worked for the G for 28 years). It just seems strange that 30.07 would be required to be posted at every entrance and 30.06 only needs to be posted "in public view". The two requirements read identically except for the added "at every entrance" requirement in 30.07. It's almost like the forgot to add it to 06 once they decided it was a good idea in 07.Mel wrote: I work with the gubermnt (FAA) on a daily basis. One of the things they are proud of saying is, "We don't answer 'why' questions."
And I wasn't thinking about a mall with anchor stores that had exterior entrances, but stand alone stores with multiple entrances.
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So it's a little like poker? You gotta pay to see their cards to find out whether they're bluffing or not.Mel wrote:I work with the gubermnt (FAA) on a daily basis. One of the things they are proud of saying is, "We don't answer 'why' questions."Bryanmc wrote:Why is that? Is it because they didn't have a way to modify 30.06 when 30.07 was created but wrote 30.07 to be more specific? When you think of large stores that have entrances on 3 sides of the building, how can a 30.06 posting at only one entrance be sufficient? Is it a defense if you entered through the unposted door and therefore weren't given notice?C-dub wrote:As Mel has reminded us, only 30.07 is required at each entrance, while 30.06 is not.
*edit* Got called away and hit post after Keith had posted.
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Re: 2 stores in one building one posted and one is not
One reason why I am increasingly questioning of and irritated by gov't. I specifically ask "why" questions. When I ask them, I'm not misstating my question.....I actually want to know why. It's an honest question. When someone whose salary comes from taxpayers dismisses an honest question like that, then I begin to question whether he or she is still fit to fill the office.Mel wrote:I work with the gubermnt (FAA) on a daily basis. One of the things they are proud of saying is, "We don't answer 'why' questions."Bryanmc wrote:Why is that? Is it because they didn't have a way to modify 30.06 when 30.07 was created but wrote 30.07 to be more specific? When you think of large stores that have entrances on 3 sides of the building, how can a 30.06 posting at only one entrance be sufficient? Is it a defense if you entered through the unposted door and therefore weren't given notice?C-dub wrote:As Mel has reminded us, only 30.07 is required at each entrance, while 30.06 is not.
*edit* Got called away and hit post after Keith had posted.
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Yep, and I might add that there is no point in telling the clerks why you're leaving because they DO NOT CARE.Abraham wrote:Simplify by doing business elsewhere you don't see such signs.
Nothing to figure out or guess.
That's how I'd handle it if I came across such confusion and yes, I too would be confused with such signage.
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Re: 2 stores in one building one posted and one is not
Concealed is concealed!
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Re: 2 stores in one building one posted and one is not
I do not and this forum does not advocate ignoring a properly posted 30.06, 30.07, or 51% sign just because concealed is concealed.crazy2medic wrote:Concealed is concealed!
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Re: 2 stores in one building one posted and one is not
If one of the two store's entrances is not posted 30.07 it is NOT "properly posted". The store without the 30.06 is arguably not posted at all...so "concealed is concealed" is not a violation of site rules.C-dub wrote:I do not and this forum does not advocate ignoring a properly posted 30.06, 30.07, or 51% sign just because concealed is concealed.crazy2medic wrote:Concealed is concealed!
Now excuse me while I go drive 36 mph in a 35 zone....in Maryland.
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Living on the edge, are we?ScottDLS wrote:Now excuse me while I go drive 36 mph in a 35 zone....in Maryland.

I suppose it is debatable about whether or not a single 30.06 sign would apply to both a Subway and a convenience store if the sign were only at one entrance, but I do agree with you regarding the 30.07 if it is only at one entrance.
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