Pasadena Gun Show prohibition on any and all loaded firearms and magazines

[puma guy]

The event was held in the Pasadena (TX) Convention Center, a public building owned by the city. I didn't think to take a photo of the sign. It wasn't a 30.06,07, or 05 sign, It stated that all weapons and magazines had to be unloaded and two police officers were carrying out that function.There was some verbiage that the event was doing the banning. I hadn't been to a show there for quite a while. They used to try to post 30.06 and .07 signs before Constitutional carry became law. I thought this had been resolved preventing leasees from implementing prohibitions in a government building.

[Mike S]

I may be mistaken (and would welcome the correction if I am), but I believe the language of the law prohibits "governmental entities of Texas" from posting off limits to carry in publicly-owned buildings (unless the location is otherwise prohibited by law). If the venue that was leasing a government-owned building posted the prohibition, then that would explain the verbiage about the event doing the banning, & not the city of Pasadena. Since the event coordinator 'leased' the venue, this may fall under 'I leased it, I get to set the rules for entry of the portions of the property under my exclusive control'.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE someone cite the statute or case law that corrects my understanding.

And if I'm correct, PLEASE someone introduce a Bill that corrects the law...

[JRG]

I don't know much, but I do know that EVERY gun show in Texas I have been to in the past 20 or 30 years has had the same restrictions.

Joe

[jmorris]

I may be mistaken (and would welcome the correction if I am), but I believe the language of the law prohibits "governmental entities of Texas" from posting off limits to carry in publicly-owned buildings (unless the location is otherwise prohibited by law). If the venue that was leasing a government-owned building posted the prohibition, then that would explain the verbiage about the event doing the banning, & not the city of Pasadena. Since the event coordinator 'leased' the venue, this may fall under 'I leased it, I get to set the rules for entry of the portions of the property under my exclusive control'.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE someone cite the statute or case law that corrects my understanding.

And if I'm correct, PLEASE someone introduce a Bill that corrects the law...

Attorney General Ken Paxtox opinion. The question was about a non-profit leasing a public building/property.
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A court would likely conclude that a license holder who
carries a handgun on property that is owned by a governmental
entity but leased to a private entity and that is not a premises or other
place from which the license holder is prohibited from carrying a
handgun under sections 46.03 or 46.035 of the Penal Code is
excepted from the offenses in subsections 30.06(a) and 30.07(a) of
the Penal Code.

https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/o ... kp0098.pdf

[ScottDLS]

The Pasadena police officers carrying out this function were arguably violating regulations on police officers enforcing "house rules". There is no applicable law to enforce, since 30.0x doesn't apply to government owned property. Unless there were magnetometers or police were patting down entrants, I likely would have concealed and carried.

[srothstein]

Attorney General Ken Paxtox opinion. The question was about a non-profit leasing a public building/property.

I don't like Paxton and won't vote for him, but Paxton's opinion on this was correct and proper when you read it. The question that was asked was if the people who leased a government building can post it with a 30.06/7 sign, based on GOVT Code 411.209. He answered that the section of code only applies to the government agency posting the signs and does not apply to a building with an "arm's length" lease where the government releases all control of the building to a non-profit and there are no government offices in the building.

But he specifically adds a section int the opinion that points out that a person carrying a gun in the building would not be violating PC 30.06 or 30.07 since the sections have specific clauses exempting licensees in government owned or leased buildings and does not have an exception to that if the building is leased out to a private entity. In other words, they can post it but they cannot legally enforce the posting. That is how I read the laws referenced also.

Here is a link to the opinion: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/op ... on/kp-0108