03Lightningrocks wrote:I am willing to bet that most cops pull someone over because something about that person or the driving gave them reason to sniff around. I have trouble believing a cop is going to quit eating his or her donut to pull over a car because the color of the car is green instead of purple.
Real cops eat bagels .....One needs some sort of PC to make a stop
That is actually not correct. Reasonable suspicion is all that is needed.
This supports my comment in another thread. The laws are so complicated even cops disagree on the them. I think it was in a thread that was talking about 30.06.
I think that most people can't comprehend why the courts have allowed the fourth amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures to morph from warrants issued for "probable cause" to searches requiring only "reasonable suspicion".
This seems so basic I can't understand how cops cannot agree.
Here's the post from the other thread.
texanjoker wrote:Hard to not agree to a point. A business owner shouldn't have to play the guessing game if he wants to ban guns from his business. The way the current system is set up, even people in this forum post about signs and whether they are valid. If we are going to have these types of signs, knowing if they are valid or not should be simple.
I say the same thing about cops when they are supposed to be the professionals enforcing the laws and protecting the rights of citizens. Especially when we are talking about the basics and not some esoteric law that rarely comes into play.
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I was going East on highway XX and a car blew by me going West. I made a U-turn and punched it. He saw me make the turn and slowed down, so I was just a few car lengths behind him in five or ten seconds.
It was early morning with very little traffic and I did not turn my overheads on while checking the plate number. It came back OK so I just stayed about ten car lengths behind him. He slowed way down and I slowed way down. He pulled over on the shoulder for me to pass and I just stayed about ten car lengths behind him so he moved back into the lane. I followed him about ten miles without turning on my overheads and by this time he was so hinky he didn’t know what to do.
I figured he was “sweating bullets” by now and I had made my point. I made another U-turn and headed back east figuring this guy had learned a lesson without me even stopping him. I would like to have heard the names he called me.
See, now that's good police work... The roads were made safer and I'd bet your tactic was more effective than a ticket or warning.
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I was going East on highway XX and a car blew by me going West. I made a U-turn and punched it. He saw me make the turn and slowed down, so I was just a few car lengths behind him in five or ten seconds.
It was early morning with very little traffic and I did not turn my overheads on while checking the plate number. It came back OK so I just stayed about ten car lengths behind him. He slowed way down and I slowed way down. He pulled over on the shoulder for me to pass and I just stayed about ten car lengths behind him so he moved back into the lane. I followed him about ten miles without turning on my overheads and by this time he was so hinky he didn’t know what to do.
I figured he was “sweating bullets” by now and I had made my point. I made another U-turn and headed back east figuring this guy had learned a lesson without me even stopping him. I would like to have heard the names he called me.
I had a Kansas cop do that to me on a road trip, except I was traveling exactly at the speed limit. He followed my Mustang until I left his county, waiting for me to touch that accelerator (red Mustang, out of state plates, equals big sign saying "mess with this guy!"). I didn't, but neither did I touch the brake.
I think he was frustrated that I never did, but I saw his under-grill lights when he passed me in the opposite direction, before he turned around.
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texanjoker wrote:Real cops eat bagels .....One needs some sort of PC to make a stop.
So you wouldn't pull over a car if the driver was eating a bagel? What about if he was munching on some Skittles?
I am thinking the officer would then wait to see if the driver was in possession of canned iced tea. . You forgot, this officer is looking for two PC's.
Best PC is a person smoking that speeds past your patrol car thinking you can't stop them. When you light them up (turn on the police lights) the person then flicks their lit cigarette off your patrol car windshield laughing they ask why the you are stopping them because they think you can't.... I'm not a big ticket writer, but _______ a lit cig off my patrol car windshield and having worked many a wild fire due to a lit cigarette irks my hide..the ticket in CA was about 2200
Regardless of whether the stop is based on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or "driving while <insert any reason here>", I'll also point out that one doesn't argue the legal reason for the stop with a cop on the side of the road. One argues the question in front of a judge. In a criminal case, at a suppression hearing. In a civil case, at a deposition.
As a young man, one other piece of wisdom passed onto me was about being courteous to police officers. I was advised that, while I may have the right to make a telephone call, the arresting officer gets to decide whether I make that call from the police station or from the emergency room.
Jumping Frog wrote:Regardless of whether the stop is based on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or "driving while <insert any reason here>", I'll also point out that one doesn't argue the legal reason for the stop with a cop on the side of the road. One argues the question in front of a judge. In a criminal case, at a suppression hearing. In a civil case, at a deposition.
As a young man, one other piece of wisdom passed onto me was about being courteous to police officers. I was advised that, while I may have the right to make a telephone call, the arresting officer gets to decide whether I make that call from the police station or from the emergency room.
I don't think I ever heard it put that way. Police station or emergency room...
I did learn as a teen that cops have no desire to play roadside courtroom with us. There is usually no gain to be had from arguing with a cop about the intricacies of his right to pull you over while sitting on the side of the road. That is what courts are for.
Jumping Frog wrote:Regardless of whether the stop is based on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or "driving while <insert any reason here>", I'll also point out that one doesn't argue the legal reason for the stop with a cop on the side of the road. One argues the question in front of a judge. In a criminal case, at a suppression hearing. In a civil case, at a deposition.
As a young man, one other piece of wisdom passed onto me was about being courteous to police officers. I was advised that, while I may have the right to make a telephone call, the arresting officer gets to decide whether I make that call from the police station or from the emergency room.
I don't think I ever heard it put that way. Police station or emergency room...
I did learn as a teen that cops have no desire to play roadside courtroom with us. There is usually no gain to be had from arguing with a cop about the intricacies of his right to pull you over while sitting on the side of the road. That is what courts are for.
There is a scene in the movie "The New Centurions" where, after pulling over a BG, the senior officer tells his partner to call for an ambulance. The BG says "Why, there's nobody hurt! The officer tells him, if you don't get in the car there will be.
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.....One needs some sort of PC to make a stop
See, now that's good police work... The roads were made safer and I'd bet your tactic was more effective than a ticket or warning.
. You forgot, this officer is looking for two PC's. 
