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Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:04 am
by philip964
AndyC1911 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:46 am
srothstein wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
I believe that the best Mr. Chauvin can hope for right now is a hung jury. I am convinced that there are a few people on that jury who had their minds made up before the trial started and they will not let themselves be swayed by any facts. I also believe that there are a few on the jury who are going to do their best to give a fair and honest verdict. I only hope they are strong enough to stand by their convictions in the face of the pressure the other jurors will put on them, along with the fear of further riots or even personal threats.
No pressure on the jury to convict.
https://twitter.com/warriorwoman91/stat ... -guilty%2F
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:23 am
by ELB
Yup, I think srothstein is dead on.
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:30 am
by oljames3
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 7 – Where is Cause of Death Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?
By Attorney Andrew Branca / April 6, 2021
https://lawofselfdefense.com/live-chauv ... ble-doubt/
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:55 pm
by oljames3
Chauvin Trial Day 7 Wrap-Up: Defense Slaughters on Cross of State’s Own Witnesses
By Attorney Andrew Branca / April 6, 2021
https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvin-tr ... witnesses/
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:07 am
by parabelum
I may step on some toes but here’s my $0.02 before they are taxed away...
For me personally it comes down whether this officer contributed to Floyd’s death. The answer based upon all of the evidence is a clear yes. Floyd was down, handcuffed and had not one but 4 officers on top of him. One, Derek, had his knee pressed on Floyd’s neck. As Krav Maga student and someone in EMS for 17 years, watching the 9+mins of this is sickening. Rule #1 once the opponent is subdued you STOP!
Certainly when your subject begins to foam from his mouth and seizes to move for over 2 minutes you get the heck off of him and re-asses. Does he even have a patent airway, pulse? Is he resisting still.
Sorry folks but this gestapo officer messed up, biggly. Whether that was intentional is up to the Lord and him, but it is unequivocal that he contributed to his death and brought shame to LEO community that is there to Serve and to Protect.
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:21 am
by Killadocg23
parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:07 am
I may step on some toes but here’s my $0.02 before they are taxed away...
For me personally it comes down whether this officer contributed to Floyd’s death. The answer based upon all of the evidence is a clear yes. Floyd was down, handcuffed and had not one but 4 officers on top of him. One, Derek, had his knee pressed on Floyd’s neck. As Krav Maga student and someone in EMS for 17 years, watching the 9+mins of this is sickening. Rule #1 once the opponent is subdued you STOP!
Certainly when your subject begins to foam from his mouth and seizes to move for over 2 minutes you get the heck off of him and re-asses. Does he even have a patent airway, pulse? Is he resisting still.
Sorry folks but this gestapo officer messed up, biggly. Whether that was intentional is up to the Lord and him, but it is unequivocal that he contributed to his death and brought shame to LEO community that is there to Serve and to Protect.
I agree with this 1000% but unfortunately some of the folks here already have their mind made up. I spoke to several law enforcement officers who share the same sentiments.
He is on THE ground no need to keep your Knee on his neck for 9 mins. The guy was telling I can’t breathe and you stood on his neck? Just shameful.
I made a comment earlier in this thread and some one responded and I was astonished at his response hence why I didn’t reply to his comment.
It’s sickening to say the least.
Sickening to say the least.
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 am
by oljames3
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 8 – Will State’s Expert Witness Save This Prosecution?
By Attorney Andrew Branca / April 7, 2021
https://lawofselfdefense.com/live-chauv ... osecution/
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:58 am
by RottenApple
parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:07 amOne, Derek, had his knee pressed on Floyd’s neck.
Killadocg23 wrote:He is on THE ground no need to keep your Knee on his neck for 9 mins.
Except that
according to the state's expert use of force witness, MPD Lieutenant Johnny Mercil, Chauvin was
NOT kneeling on Floyd's neck.
From:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/c ... osecution/
It was at this point that Nelson showed Mercil a series of photographs captured from the body worn camera of Officer Lane, and showing Chauvin’s knee on Floyd from the angle down Floyd’s proned body.
Photo 1: Where’s Chauvin’s leg in this image? On Floyd’s neck? Or on his shoulder blades and back. Mercil: Shoulder blades and back.
And in photo 2? Same. Photo 3? Same. Photo 4? Same.
This, of course, fundamentally undercuts the prosecution’s narrative of guilt that it was Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck that killed Floyd.
I'm not saying that the officer might not have made some mistakes, but can we please stop repeating the lie that he was kneeling on Floyd's neck?
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
by crazy2medic
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
by philip964
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:28 am
by oljames3
philip964 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
Attorney Andrew Branca blogged the Medical Examiner's report:
https://lawofselfdefense.com/george-flo ... er-report/
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:43 am
by eyedoc
philip964 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
A Fentanyl blood level of 11 says it all.
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:48 am
by parabelum
eyedoc wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:43 am
philip964 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
A Fentanyl blood level of 11 says it all.
Did you read ME’s report, cause of death, manner of death etc?
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:55 am
by eyedoc
parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:48 am
eyedoc wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:43 am
philip964 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
A Fentanyl blood level of 11 says it all.
Did you read ME’s report, cause of death, manner of death etc?
Yes. Then I used my education and knowledge along with 30 plus years of MMA training to make my own opinion.
Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:15 am
by parabelum
eyedoc wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:55 am
parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:48 am
eyedoc wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:43 am
philip964 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
A Fentanyl blood level of 11 says it all.
Did you read ME’s report, cause of death, manner of death etc?
Yes. Then I used my education and knowledge along with 30 plus years of MMA training to make my own opinion.
Fair enough. But I think that Medical Examiner might be more informed and educated on these matters than most of us here.