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The concept of any state allowing individual counties to opt in or out of permitting the exercise of Constitutional rights is simply ridiculous in my opinion.
For that matter, the concept of any nation allowing individual states to opt in or out of permitting the exercise of Constitutional rights is ridiculous.

I fail to see how CA gun laws are better than TX laws.

Open carry really isn't open carry in CA. Not being able to carry a loaded gun anyplace you can't legally discharge it isn't open carry in my book. The bottom is a link to CA laws and all the restrictions that they place on firearms. I will take Texas laws over that nonsense any day. Notice it says loaded firearm, not just handgun. If you want to argue about which is better CA or TX, please include where you can carry loaded long guns in Texas when you're making the comparison.

5. LOADED FIREARMS
Loaded Firearms in a Public Place
It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm on one’s person or in a vehicle while in any public
place, on any public street, or in any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm.
(Penal Code § 12031(a)(1).)

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texasjeep44 wrote: If you want to argue about which is better CA or TX, please include where you can carry loaded long guns in Texas when you're making the comparison.

Very good point. I could carry my AK-47 with one 'o them evil 30 round magazines openly on the passenger seat of my car in Texas and be perfectly legal. Try that in CA.

AggieLCP wrote:I'm afraid if open carry passes we will see a lot more 30.06 postings.
The state needs to hurry up and pass the parking lot bill though.

Something to think about.....With just the thought of parking lot and campus carry passing-I've seen valid 30.06 signs go up at several of my daily visited locations. When I inquired at 2 of those locations as to the nature of those signs, their response was "So people that carry guns in their cars if that new law passes can't bring them inside the building here".
Just something to think about in all of this huffing and puffing about increased 30.06 postings.
IMO, if/when the Parking Lot/Campus Carry bills pass-you'll see a HUGE increase in the number of 30.06 signs posted.
JL

jlangton wrote:

AggieLCP wrote:I'm afraid if open carry passes we will see a lot more 30.06 postings.
The state needs to hurry up and pass the parking lot bill though.

Something to think about.....With just the thought of parking lot and campus carry passing-I've seen valid 30.06 signs go up at several of my daily visited locations. When I inquired at 2 of those locations as to the nature of those signs, their response was "So people that carry guns in their cars if that new law passes can't bring them inside the building here".
Just something to think about in all of this huffing and puffing about increased 30.06 postings.
IMO, if/when the Parking Lot/Campus Carry bills pass-you'll see a HUGE increase in the number of 30.06 signs posted.
JL

30.06 will not apply to an employee if their gun is left in the car in the parking lot. HOWEVER, it WILL apply to a non-employee with a CHL in the parking lot, but not someone under MPA.

Keith B wrote:

jlangton wrote:

AggieLCP wrote:I'm afraid if open carry passes we will see a lot more 30.06 postings.
The state needs to hurry up and pass the parking lot bill though.

Something to think about.....With just the thought of parking lot and campus carry passing-I've seen valid 30.06 signs go up at several of my daily visited locations. When I inquired at 2 of those locations as to the nature of those signs, their response was "So people that carry guns in their cars if that new law passes can't bring them inside the building here".
Just something to think about in all of this huffing and puffing about increased 30.06 postings.
IMO, if/when the Parking Lot/Campus Carry bills pass-you'll see a HUGE increase in the number of 30.06 signs posted.
JL

30.06 will not apply to an employee if their gun is left in the car in the parking lot. HOWEVER, it WILL apply to a non-employee with a CHL in the parking lot, but not someone under MPA.

I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

jlangton wrote:I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

So, what types of places are you seeing this happen at? I haven't seen any, but just curious about where they are cropping up?

And, this goes to prove the theory that IF open carry gets any steam, that the increase in 30.06 postings IS factual.

Keith B wrote:

jlangton wrote:I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

So, what types of places are you seeing this happen at? I haven't seen any, but just curious about where they are cropping up?

And, this goes to prove the theory that IF open carry gets any steam, that the increase in 30.06 postings IS factual.

I don't totally agree with that. Here's why.
The persons that I have asked about the signs specifically said they wanted to keep individuals with CHL's out of their building, and that those with CHL's would be the ones to be carrying in their cars on the parking lots. Before this media attention about the parking lots they either didn't care to know, or ignored that there were those with CHL's that did carry in their building regularly.
I've seen the signs at mostly smaller places that most would not recognize, but one of the big ones is Graybar Electric.
JL

If this bill passed in its current format (which is no beuno for CHler's IMHO) signs could increase, and probably would.

But…

Keith B wrote: And, this goes to prove the theory that IF open carry gets any steam, that the increase in 30.06 postings IS factual.

If the bill was written correctly 30.06 would not have anything to do with CHL. I don’t think the majority of OC’ers care about what affect their legislation may have on CHL’ers. However, CHL’ers better start caring soon about the affects of OC legislation, and come up with a game plan to redirect this and future legislature in a direction that make us OC’ers and CHL’ers happy.

So, this bill seems to be moving along. What are the plans to derail or change it up? Do we still think it's not going to make it through?

jlangton wrote:

Keith B wrote:

jlangton wrote:I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

So, what types of places are you seeing this happen at? I haven't seen any, but just curious about where they are cropping up?

And, this goes to prove the theory that IF open carry gets any steam, that the increase in 30.06 postings IS factual.

I don't totally agree with that. Here's why.
The persons that I have asked about the signs specifically said they wanted to keep individuals with CHL's out of their building, and that those with CHL's would be the ones to be carrying in their cars on the parking lots. Before this media attention about the parking lots they either didn't care to know, or ignored that there were those with CHL's that did carry in their building regularly.
I've seen the signs at mostly smaller places that most would not recognize, but one of the big ones is Graybar Electric.
JL

Well, I do think this is proof. Bottom line, the media attention on just the parking lot bill has apparently been enough for these companies to research and find the legitimate way of keeping CHL'ers out. The way the Open Carry bill is currently written, a 30.06 would keep open carry AND CHL'ers out. Now, not only have people been made more aware from the media coverage, but you add those that maybe don't just look at the paper, but suddenly see people walking around with a gun on their hip, and they will also research what it takes to keep people from carrying a gun into their business.

Now, let's assume that open carry got passed where any gun busters sign was valid. The business researches how to keep people with guns out. While they may stop at just the gun busters sign, if management decides they want NO ONE with a gun in their business, then they will go through the process of posting the 30.06 and now even CHL's are not allowed. And you can bet that if Open Carry gets any steam and gets media attention, and it WILL get a LOT of attention, there will be those out there looking at how to keep handguns out of their businesses, just as you are seeing today with only the parking lot bill.

jlangton wrote:

Keith B wrote:

jlangton wrote:

AggieLCP wrote:I'm afraid if open carry passes we will see a lot more 30.06 postings.
The state needs to hurry up and pass the parking lot bill though.

Something to think about.....With just the thought of parking lot and campus carry passing-I've seen valid 30.06 signs go up at several of my daily visited locations. When I inquired at 2 of those locations as to the nature of those signs, their response was "So people that carry guns in their cars if that new law passes can't bring them inside the building here".
Just something to think about in all of this huffing and puffing about increased 30.06 postings.
IMO, if/when the Parking Lot/Campus Carry bills pass-you'll see a HUGE increase in the number of 30.06 signs posted.
JL

30.06 will not apply to an employee if their gun is left in the car in the parking lot. HOWEVER, it WILL apply to a non-employee with a CHL in the parking lot, but not someone under MPA.

I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

What part of southeast Texas are you in? I haven't seen one single new sign in the Houston area.

Chas.

jlangton wrote:

Keith B wrote:

jlangton wrote:I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

So, what types of places are you seeing this happen at? I haven't seen any, but just curious about where they are cropping up?

And, this goes to prove the theory that IF open carry gets any steam, that the increase in 30.06 postings IS factual.

I don't totally agree with that. Here's why.
The persons that I have asked about the signs specifically said they wanted to keep individuals with CHL's out of their building, and that those with CHL's would be the ones to be carrying in their cars on the parking lots. Before this media attention about the parking lots they either didn't care to know, or ignored that there were those with CHL's that did carry in their building regularly.
I've seen the signs at mostly smaller places that most would not recognize, but one of the big ones is Graybar Electric.
JL

What companies have you talked to?

Chas.

Soooooooo, I've been told this bill was drafted by the Lone Star Citizens Defense League. After reading through this thread, and I'm very glad I did, it's an eye opener, I saw their name come up maybe once. Here's an excerpt:

We are the ones who drafted HB 2756. Originally it was for Constitutional Open Carry but we sniffed the wind and thought that we'd better save that for next session. In fact, next session we're going for Constitutional Carry with the option to have a permit if you want one for traveling out of state and the other benefits we have with it now.

One of the most enlightening things I've read recently was Charles' long post a couple pages back. "We the people" usually acknowledge that getting laws passed is a cumbersome effort, but reading that was a real awakening of everything that is involved and how complex it really is. And those comments about lawyers getting involved demonstrate how many people are truly in need of enlightenment! At first glance, I was glad to see HB2756 but now I'm more informed and recognize the dangers if it's ram-rodded and not properly controlled.

Chas, thank you very much!!!

I mentioned LSCDL because I had become a little skeptical based on how pushing paid membership seems to be a very high priority, tied to this bill.

I need to get back on the horn with a couple of legislators and amend my request/comments/opinion!

pcgizzmo wrote:So, this bill seems to be moving along. What are the plans to derail or change it up? Do we still think it's not going to make it through?

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