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OK. So why would they want "our" rights and not want to become a citizen?

First of all, the rights you are talking about apply to anyone who lives here (legally), not just citizens. The BOR applies to everyone. Only a few specific political rights, such as the right to vote, are reserved for citizens only.

So those rights are as much "his" as they are "ours".

Secondly, who cares? So what if someone does not want to become a citizen. If they want to pay taxes and not vote, so much the better.

We live in the greatest state of the greatest country on Earth. Part of the reason for that is the freedom and civil rights we all enjoy here.

Citizen or not.

If the guy's going through the legal process of getting a Green Card, I say God bless 'em. Welcome to Texas, and welcome to America.

I myself want to become a citizen because when I do, I can actually do something and hopefully make a difference. It's the stupid law that prevents me from becoming a citizen very fast. On the other hand, I can fully understand why some immigrants don't want to become American citizen.

My statement here is likely to offend some American; however i think we all need to go beyond our little domain and see things in a large perspective with an open mind.

I do not know your education or background. If you often travel to foreign countries (Alabama doesn't count), you would know that American is often among the least favorite people. In the country I am from, America is listed as the last one in favor in almost any poll. Mostly it has nothing to do with each individual American rather "American" as a country, specifically its foreign policy. It is seen as an imperialist, a buddy, and you pick a word. I am sure you have seen this in movies like "Rash Hour III".

seamusTX wrote:

flb_78 wrote: If he became a U.S. citizen, he would have to renounce his British citizenship and surrender his British passport.

- Jim

Sorry but I believe you are incorrect, I have three passports (Citizenships), one being British. As long as each country permits citizenship of another, dual/multi-citizenship is not a problem.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_t ... _1753.html

Stupid wrote: I do not know your education or background. If you often travel to foreign countries (Alabama doesn't count), you would know that American is often among the least favorite people. In the country I am from, America is listed as the last one in favor in almost any poll. Mostly it has nothing to do with each individual American rather "American" as a country, specifically its foreign policy. It is seen as an imperialist, a buddy, and you pick a word. I am sure you have seen this in movies like "Rash Hour III".

In the last century, America rescued more people from tyranny and/or genocide than all of the other nations on Earth put together have done since the beginning of time.

If people in other countries are ignorant of that fact, it is only because of a massive propaganda campaign and their inability to see through it.

We're off to a pretty good start in this century too.

The other countries in the world would do well to emulate our example.

Where else do people have such individual liberty as we do here in America?

Where else are the rule of law, free speech, private property rights, and the right to keep and bear arms guarded by a constitution that has endured for over 200 years?

What other country has created so much prosperity and opportunity for so many people?

Where else can a non-citizen legally carry a handgun to enable him to effectively protect himself and his loved ones?

Not only is this the greatest country of all time. No other country even comes close.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

Stupid wrote: I do not know your education or background. If you often travel to foreign countries (Alabama doesn't count), you would know that American is often among the least favorite people. In the country I am from, America is listed as the last one in favor in almost any poll. Mostly it has nothing to do with each individual American rather "American" as a country, specifically its foreign policy. It is seen as an imperialist, a buddy, and you pick a word. I am sure you have seen this in movies like "Rash Hour III".

In the last century, America rescued more people from tyranny and/or genocide than all of the other nations on Earth put together have done since the beginning of time.

If people in other countries are ignorant of that fact, it is only because of a massive propaganda campaign and their inability to see through it.

We're off to a pretty good start in this century too.

The other countries in the world would do well to emulate our example.

Where else do people have such individual liberty as we do here in America?

Where else are the rule of law, free speech, private property rights, and the right to keep and bear arms guarded by a constitution that has endured for over 200 years?

What other country has created so much prosperity and opportunity for so many people?

Where else can a non-citizen legally carry a handgun to enable him to effectively protect himself and his loved ones?

Not only is this the greatest country of all time. No other country even comes close.

you ARE referring to TEXAS aren't you?

That would be, "the great state of Texas" of course!

I think I am too stupid to comprehend how anybody can actually believe this crap.

You need to study some history before making this statement here.

This is CHL discussion. I would rather not continue on this subject. On the other hand, I would be more than happy to list out all the "rescues" America has done from Indian war to the OIL (sorry, OIF) war.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
In the last century, America rescued more people from tyranny and/or genocide than all of the other nations on Earth put together have done since the beginning of time.
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On a second note, I do agree that we enjoy a LOT of freedom here in America. Freedom some people just do not know how to appreciate - it is sad. I always encourage American to go outside to see that the world does not end at the American border - good or bad, and I always encourage foreigners to come to America (if America let them in) and see what kind of life we enjoy here and maybe they can learn a thing or two to change their countries.

We used to be a great nation of immigration, but now it's a nation of limitation.

ejector wrote:

seamusTX wrote:If he became a U.S. citizen, he would have to renounce his British citizenship and surrender his British passport.

Sorry but I believe you are incorrect, I have three passports (Citizenships), one being British.

Well, that's what he thinks. I'll mention this to him.

- Jim

This thread should answer any question you may have: How to Get A CHL For Non-Immigrant Aliens & Foreigners

AndyC wrote:Let me give you my experience:

I'm now a greencard holder (about 2 months), but I was allowed to buy a firearm long before that because:

1. I'd been legally resident in Texas longer than 3 months and was able to prove it through utility-bills.
2. Had a hunting license (silly requirement, IMHO).
3. Had gotten to that stage of immigration where I'd passed the FBI background-check.

I mention the latter because I was initially refused during the NCIS check at the gun-store. I tried again a few months later once I'd heard I'd passed the FBI check (but well before I got my GC) - and it was immediately approved.

As for CHL, that I dunno specifically - I don't have one of those yet. Once I have a chance to breathe, I plan on taking the course through one of the fine trainers here in the DFW area. I haven't decided who yet, so start your bidding ;)

congrats on your GC status!