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Sly Dog wrote:

TexCaboCat wrote:

KBCraig wrote:This is correct. One thing to mention is that all school activities are illegal to carry even if it is not on school property.

Are you saying if I met my daughter at a school function held at a place that is not 30.06 posted, I could not carry....like the zoo, or a function at the lake?

What about other folks, who might just happen to be there, but have no children there, but are right in the crowd with the school function such as a zoo?

Yes. All school sponsored activities are illegal to carry at. I can not answer the second part of that question and I don't no how they would even know.

Russell wrote:

TexCaboCat wrote:

KBCraig wrote:There is no requirement that it be in the trunk.

You can carry on your person anywhere on school grounds (not in buildings), except at a sporting event or other school activity (pep rally, etc.) Since you can't carry into the game, your only choice is to secure it in the vehicle. How you do so is up to you.

This is correct. One thing to mention is that all school activities are illegal to carry even if it is not on school property.

Actually, that may be incorrect. I used to think that as well, and it is a popular thing for instructors to mention, but there has been much discussion on these boards regarding carrying at a "school function" that is not on school property. Charles has weighed in, and it is the popular belief that it was not the legislatures intent to create a "roaming 30.06 sign", where every time kids and teachers come in a store CHL holders have to leave. What if the business purposely doesn't post 30.06 signs because they cater to that crowed, such as Gander Mountain?

While you may have a point and in fact in principle I agree with you the state still has limitation to where we can carry and some of those places do not need to post a 30.06 sign. I.E. schools, polling places ect......School "sponsored" functions (the key word being sponsored) are covered with this and as far as I understand that includes functions outside of school property. Now, a group of kids meeting at Starbucks does not count and will not create roaming 30.06 sign, unless the business puts one up themselves. I guess the real question is what constitutes a school function. I would not think a group of kids taking a bus to Gander Mountain would constitute that being a school function. But, if a school held a Prom at a local hotel, I would not want to be in the same "room" as the Prom carrying at all. Just as I would not be carrying at a football game off school property.

Russel,

I agree with you but I think I, too, will let the courts clarify this with someone else before I carry at any type of school function. Good conversation. Thanks.

46.035 does not say school as a blanket statement.

PC 46.035 (b)(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or profes-
sional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless
the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used
in the event;

I don't see kindergarten, elementary, middle, junior high or any other such listed.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does interscholastic consist of? Does it only pertain to High School+ levels?

rm9792 wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what does interscholastic consist of? Does it only pertain to High School+ levels?

Interscholastic just means between two schools, as opposed to intra-mural being within the one school.

Almost every junior high or middle school participates in interscholastic sports, and many elementary schools do in their upper (4-5) grades. Football is very serious in Texas and starts young.

So by including that it does cover elementary football games? My daughter cheers and I was hesitant to carry at the games. But with the psycho parents now I would really rather carry.

rm9792 wrote:So by including that it does cover elementary football games? My daughter cheers and I was hesitant to carry at the games. But with the psycho parents now I would really rather carry.

I would not carry at the games.

rm9792 wrote:So by including that it does cover elementary football games? My daughter cheers and I was hesitant to carry at the games. But with the psycho parents now I would really rather carry.

These are school sponsored events. If it includes a school team, club, groups, etc., then you cannot carry there.

With that said, there is the argument of the school group that shows up at a museum while you are there. I don't believe that constitutes that you are at a school sponsored activity. However, IANAL, but my policy has been 'If you are attending an event sponsored by the school (band concert, football game, tidily winks club tournament, etc.), or involved directly with that event (chaperon for a field trip, band contest, etc.) you cannot carry'.

TexCaboCat wrote:

Sly Dog wrote:

TexCaboCat wrote: Are you saying if I met my daughter at a school function held at a place that is not 30.06 posted, I could not carry....like the zoo, or a function at the lake?

What about other folks, who might just happen to be there, but have no children there, but are right in the crowd with the school function such as a zoo?

Yes. All school sponsored activities are illegal to carry at. I can not answer the second part of that question and I don't no how they would even know.

IANAL, but to me the key word is "sponsored." What is the school sponsoring? They are sponsoring the kids and teachers/chaperones while they do their thing at the zoo, museum, etc., and while they are travelling to/from their event. They are not sponsoring my trip, nor am I part of their activity. Therefore, I am in no way attending or participating in a school sponsored activity.

Now, if it were a high school baseball game at a public park and you were watching your kid play, I don't think you could carry, because by sitting in the stands, you are participating in that event as a fan. However, the guy walking his dog 20 feet from you could. Did I mention I really don't like this part of the law?

Keith B wrote:

rm9792 wrote:So by including that it does cover elementary football games? My daughter cheers and I was hesitant to carry at the games. But with the psycho parents now I would really rather carry.

These are school sponsored events. If it includes a school team, club, groups, etc., then you cannot carry there.

With that said, there is the argument of the school group that shows up at a museum while you are there. I don't believe that constitutes that you are at a school sponsored activity. However, IANAL, but my policy has been 'If you are attending an event sponsored by the school (band concert, football game, tidily winks club tournament, etc.), or involved directly with that event (chaperon for a field trip, band contest, etc.) you cannot carry'.

After I sent this i remembered they arent school sponsored games and are held mostly in public parks playing fields. Some are held on school grounds but most arent.

IANAL but,
From my understanding from reading the law and Charles' comments.
It is illegal to carry at a school sponsored event being held on school property. Field trips are not included since they are not on school property.

PC w6.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses
or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation
vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or
educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;

It is also illegal to carry at an interscholastic event no matter where it is being held. This covers just about all school sporting events (if it is an intra-mural event for grades below high school, and being held off-campus you could carry). Non-school sponsored events are also not covered`(little league, etc.). Interscholastic events do not have to be sports related either. It could be a spelling bee, debate, math superstars, science fair, etc.

(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional
sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless
the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used
in the event;

OK, so are you guys saying that you cannot carry at a school sponsored event based the fact that you would be on premises or on grounds. Because I understood premises to be INSIDE a building, not outside like on a football field. And I know it would be only spitting hairs, but could you carry if you only stood on the walkway?