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Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:30 pm
by barres
Purplehood wrote:
"The lawsuit said members of the Brady Campaign will no longer visit national parks and refuges "out of fear for their personal safety from those who will now be permitted to carry loaded and concealed weapons in such areas."
They must lead miserable lives on a daily basis. Aren't there something like 44 states with Concealed Carry?
48, IIRC. Only two states do not have some form of CC laws on the books. Now some of the 48 states that allow CC only do so for "certain people."

Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:41 pm
by Purplehood
and refuges will be harmed as a result of increased poaching...


I wonder how many concealed carriers like to poach with their handguns. Of course you could always stick your Desert Eagle under your trench-coat.

Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:00 am
by bdickens
Purplehood wrote:I wonder how many concealed carriers like to poach with their handguns.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say none. As in Zero.

Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:36 am
by Purplehood
Sorry. I know I am preaching to the choir here.

Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:32 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Liberty wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I don't think so. The Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) would hardly be necessary, since the carrying of handguns wouldn't have an environmental impact in the legal sense. Nothing else in the complaint amounts to anything more than Brady propaganda. Unfortunately, unless the judge dismisses it as frivolous, it will have to play out so it will keep the issue in the media. It's possible the court will issue an injunction prohibiting the enforcement of the new rule, pending a determination on the merits. I think that's unlikely.

Chas.
Ahhh .. Publicity. Silly me I didn't think of that as a motive. I believe that an injunction would only happen if the court saw the new rule as causing irreversable damage? Am I right? thanks for making this clearer.
Correct, the theoretical standard for getting an injunction requires irreparable injury (damages) if the injunction is not granted and a likelihood of prevailing on the merits. I say theoretical because the irreparable injury (damages) prong is often ignored. I still think an injunction is unlikely unless they get an anti-gun federal judge.

Chas.
Regrettably, I have to retract my statement and say that I'm very worried about the new National Parks rule. At least one more organization has joined the suit and the chance that a temporary injunction will be issued is much higher than I thought. There is still no basis for an injunction, but apparently that isn't going to matter. This will keep the concealed handgun ban in place long enough for the new administration to have his people reopen the comment period and then kill the change.

This is not a certainty, but I have just learned information that makes it far more likely.

Chas.

Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:57 pm
by Captain Matt
Is there anything decent people can do to prevent it?

Re: Brady Couldn't wait for Obama (Links Included)

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:04 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Captain Matt wrote:Is there anything decent people can do to prevent it?
Not at this point. The NRA is intervening in both cases and I'll update everyone as I can.

Chas.