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Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:16 am
by pedalman
nitrogen wrote:Lawyer up now.
It may be a good idea to speak to an attorney first.

I look at it this way. Agencies don't use email to contact anyone concerning an investigation or field audit. It almost smells like a scam, except that the English is better than that of a 419er. If they were able to acquire your email address and some identifiers on who you are through legal law enforcement means, then it probably would not take much more effort to actually find your address and phone number.

You could call the SA office to confirm that there is such an agent there.

IANAL.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:02 am
by AEA
pedalman wrote: You could call the SA office to confirm that there is such an agent there.
IANAL.
rm9792 wrote: I googled the numbers and they are indeed ATF. I called him and he said.......
He already called him and talked to him at the number that was provided and googled to confirm that it was in fact ATF.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:52 pm
by pedalman
Doh!!!! Guilty of missing that. :banghead:

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:24 pm
by TexasComputerDude
pedalman wrote:Doh!!!! Guilty of missing that. :banghead:

I don't blame you, when was the last time you got an e-mail like this that WASN'T a scam.

I just delete these usually.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:58 pm
by Locksmith
No longer valid

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:08 pm
by wheelgun1958
Tell him to pack sand. I wouldn't respond to anything less than a summons. Then it would be with an attorney present.

:boxing

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:36 pm
by jwp
Liberty wrote:
kirock7 wrote:.... the BATFE. They are publicans who wish to disarm us and perform no useful purpose.
Um... I don't have any disagreement with what I think the sentiment is, but I am curious what a "publican" is. I know the "keeper of a public house" meaning, but I don't think that's what you meant.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:48 am
by KC5AV
Publicans were tax collectors who worked for the Roman government. They collected taxes from their own countrymen (after Rome had conquered a country), and were allowed to take 'a little extra' for themselves. Needless to say, they were rather despised.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:51 am
by Liberty
jwp wrote:
Liberty wrote:
kirock7 wrote:.... the BATFE. They are publicans who wish to disarm us and perform no useful purpose.
Um... I don't have any disagreement with what I think the sentiment is, but I am curious what a "publican" is. I know the "keeper of a public house" meaning, but I don't think that's what you meant.
KCAV5 beat me to it, but they were rightfully despised turncoats of their society. The sellouts of of their people. In fairness though Jesus said even they could salvaged. I consider them even lower than a Socialist Congressman. YMMV.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:45 am
by pedalman
wheelgun1958 wrote:Tell him to pack sand. I wouldn't respond to anything less than a summons. Then it would be with an attorney present.

:boxing
I don't know if the expression, "pack sand" would be a good idea. Though, I will admit that the dark side of me appreciates the sentiment. :evil2:

If any further interaction is made, it should be made more politely. And preferably through an attorney.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:34 pm
by tacticool
If they're looking to frame somebody then being uncooperative might make you a target.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:59 pm
by bryang
"Liberty
The really bad guys might be the ATF. Just talking to them could get one tossed into prison. The Drug Runners aren't half as dangerous as these guys are. The real solution to the problem they claim they are addressing is to arm the citizens of Mexico and to disband the BATFE. They are publicans who wish to disarm us and perform no useful purpose.

We must recognize the enemy, and its critical we don't offer support.
:iagree: It is a shame that we are living in a time where we can not trust anybody. We are losing our freedom and those in high places have chosen to ignore the Constitution and would like nothing better than to disarm the citizens of America.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

-geo

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:24 pm
by Liberty
bryang wrote:
"Liberty
The really bad guys might be the ATF. Just talking to them could get one tossed into prison. The Drug Runners aren't half as dangerous as these guys are. The real solution to the problem they claim they are addressing is to arm the citizens of Mexico and to disband the BATFE. They are publicans who wish to disarm us and perform no useful purpose.

We must recognize the enemy, and its critical we don't offer support.
:iagree: It is a shame that we are living in a time where we can not trust anybody. We are losing our freedom and those in high places have chosen to ignore the Constitution and would like nothing better than to disarm the citizens of America.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

-geo
Well to be fair, There are people I still trust, and I don't know if there was ever a government worth trust. There are certain aspects of our government that is trustworthy of certain things. I trust the mail service to be fairly reliable in delivering our mail. My city takes excellent care of my garbage. The Federal LEO system has a history of not being trustworthy and there is no reason for the BATFs existence. They are politically motivated,and the folks in charge don't seem to like gun owners very much.

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:12 pm
by 74novaman
tacticool wrote:If they're looking to frame somebody then being uncooperative might make you a target.
saying the wrong thing to an agent, even while trying to be helpful, could also make you a target. Just my opinion, and is probably worth exactly what you paid for it. :tiphat:

Re: ATF Email

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:13 pm
by bdickens
You are absolutely right, Liberty. there is no reason for the BATF's existence. There is nothing they do that the FBI couldn't do better and more professionally.