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Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:01 pm
by Crapshoot
PUCKER wrote:Would you or would you not post this sign in your yard, on your front door, fence, gate, window, etc?
What, if any, legal ramifications would there be if you did shoot someone that you were justified in shooting (to stop, of course)? The Castle Law took away any ramifications from what I understand, or am I grossly ignorant/misinformed?
I look at it this way - if you had the sign and had to shoot, the perp was warned of the repercussions of bad actions. I also remember hearing about folks who got in trouble for posting "Beware of Dog" signs when their dog bit someone (at the homeowner's property), it seemed the lawyers made a case out of it like this: "well, the homeowner knew the dog was vicious....and didn't do anything about it..." Don't have any case law/legal cites for it though. Regarding the below sign, I don't see it as best to advertise that you have firearms, but I think in Texas (especially) you pretty much have to assume that every home has at LEAST one firearm, although I do know some folks who DON'T have any. This should make for a good discussion/poll.
From:
http://www.protectedbythecastlelaw.com/ ... ecals.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I would post that sign or 1 like it. I think I can say with a fair amount of certainty that I wouldn't fire on an intruder unless I felt that there was an imediate or impending threat of either death or bodily harm to myself or those in my home(not just family). But I don't see the harm in letting a potential intruder stew on wether or not its worth risking his life. I recognize that some might see this as an advertisement of firearms in the homes. But to me its little different than folks who post fake security alarms on their property. Nobody is gonna know for sure unless they try it out. At that point I believe there is an extra step to the thought proccess when faced with the possability of getting shot. Even if they see it as a potential mark they would have to consider the fact that someone who advertises that they ahev guns in the home, would likey have good security for said guns when they aren't home.
I may be in the minority on this but that's how I see it.

Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:25 pm
by srothstein
I think the question has a deceptive assumption in it. You are correct that there is no way the sign could hurt you in a justified shooting.
I would recommend against posting the sign because there may be a shooting that is not clear cut. This could definitely be used against you in a shooting that is in the gray area (a la Joe Horn).
I would probably have a sign like it inside the house that I could show friends as a joke, much like the popular "trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" sign. You could keep them in the house as conversation pieces and it owuld not be able to be used (as easily) against you in those gray areas.
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:52 pm
by mr surveyor
srothstein wrote:I think the question has a deceptive assumption in it. You are correct that there is no way the sign could hurt you in a justified shooting.
I would recommend against posting the sign because there may be a shooting that is not clear cut. This could definitely be used against you in a shooting that is in the gray area (a la Joe Horn).
I would probably have a sign like it inside the house that I could show friends as a joke, much like the popular "trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" sign. You could keep them in the house as conversation pieces and it owuld not be able to be used (as easily) against you in those gray areas.
ditto
I would definately hang that on my home office wall... along with all the other stuff. Odds are that it wouldn't be seen for all the other clutter anyway. An intruder would more likely trip over my spoiled brat, lazy doberman and hit his head on the copy machine before he had a chance to see the sign anyway.
surv
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:57 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
Site: 62 acre rural cabin getaway in Pritchett, Upshur County (North of Gladewater).
Sign on property: TRESPASSERS FOUND HERE ON SUNDAY WILL BE FOUND HERE ON MONDAY!
SIA
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:26 am
by Y2bad4u
Id post it in my garage, where can I get one?
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:33 am
by suthdj
Y2bad4u wrote:Id post it in my garage, where can I get one?
http://www.protectedbythecastlelaw.com/ ... ecals.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There was a this link in there somewhere.
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:23 am
by redoregon
By posting that sign, they're forewarned if they really want to break in. I wouldn't want to give them that advantage, no matter how much I agree with the sentiment!
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:41 am
by PUCKER
Deceptive? Hey, I'm not a lawyer!
srothstein wrote:I think the question has a deceptive assumption in it. You are correct that there is no way the sign could hurt you in a justified shooting.
I would recommend against posting the sign because there may be a shooting that is not clear cut. This could definitely be used against you in a shooting that is in the gray area (a la Joe Horn).
I would probably have a sign like it inside the house that I could show friends as a joke, much like the popular "trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" sign. You could keep them in the house as conversation pieces and it owuld not be able to be used (as easily) against you in those gray areas.
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:43 am
by PUCKER
I DO have this sign posted (well, on my boat fridge):

Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:34 pm
by LittleGun
I like the sign but would not post it because I don't want to adverstise my ownership of guns.
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:09 pm
by HankB
I would not post the sign for many of the same reasons that I don't put any RKBA/political bumper stickers on my car . . .
1. It tells bad guys there might be something worth stealing, and I can't watch everything 24/7.
2. People who oppose gun ownership may very well have low regard for other's private property as well, and be tempted to vandalism.
3. Why give potential bad guys a "heads up" that their target is armed?
4. After a 100% good shoot, possible bad publicity may make a polticially-motivated DA cause a problem for you, just because he can, even though he has no reasonable expectation of actually convicting you of anything.
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:13 pm
by stevie_d_64
jsimmons wrote:You also have to make a not-so-valid assumption that they can read (or read English).
Yep. it would have to be in three languages actually...English, Spanish and Vietnamese...
At least that is what the ballots are in on election day...So maybe, BY LAW, you'd have to post the sign that way...
Otherwise, my opinion on this is that it might be better to let this be a little secret that the bad guys would have to find out first hand...

Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:28 pm
by boomerang
stevie_d_64 wrote:Yep. it would have to be in three languages actually...English, Spanish and Vietnamese...
At least that is what the ballots are in on election day...So maybe, BY LAW, you'd have to post the sign that way...
We need to get the legislature to add Vietnamese to the 30.06 sign requirement! Also at least 1" high.

Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:42 pm
by Stupid
One should always practice S. S. S. if you don't know what the three S stand for, you ought to!!!
Shoot, Shovel and Shut up!!!
Re: Protected by the Castle Law, Intruders Will Be Shot (sign)
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:17 pm
by suthdj
boomerang wrote:stevie_d_64 wrote:Yep. it would have to be in three languages actually...English, Spanish and Vietnamese...
At least that is what the ballots are in on election day...So maybe, BY LAW, you'd have to post the sign that way...
We need to get the legislature to add Vietnamese to the 30.06 sign requirement! Also at least 1" high.

I think if you accommodate any language other then English then you should accommodate them all.