Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:24 pm
I'm sure it used to have grape jelly in it.3dfxMM wrote:Based on the description of the guy, I was surprised to read that he had a glass for his wine.
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Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:32 pm
hmm , interesting that Kevinf2349 hasn't replied to this as he lives in League City.
could he be the wine guy ?...he does have a CHL
could he be the wine guy ?...he does have a CHL
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:47 pm
I wasn't there, but I probably wouldn't have pressed charges.
Well, I would've, and when he sobered up, I would have offered an option: go door-to-door apologizing to everyone, describing in detail what he did, or face the charges.
Well, I would've, and when he sobered up, I would have offered an option: go door-to-door apologizing to everyone, describing in detail what he did, or face the charges.
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:07 pm
I think that Jim did the right thing. No shots were fired and nobody was injured. Returning to the scene, armed, to confront the neighbor could be viewed as escalation. Calling LCPD was the proper thing to do. If it happens again, they now have a police report. As far as pressing charges, that is the prerogative of Jim and his wife. Since all of the witnesses, except Jim's wife, were probably related to the perpetrator it would be hard to prove any charges.uudfourty wrote:I wasn't there, but I probably wouldn't have pressed charges.
Well, I would've, and when he sobered up, I would have offered an option: go door-to-door apologizing to everyone, describing in detail what he did, or face the charges.
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:08 pm
Thanks, folks. You know I just knew it would come up about not carrying in your own "safe" neighborhood. You are all correct, my guard was down and it might have gotten ugly (actually, more ugly).
I guess not pressing charges might have been the wrong answer, but calling in the gendarme certainly worked out. I do sort of feel like a "facilitator" for his bad behavior.
I think what I wanted to share most was how ugly it can get when you abuse your CHL and how as a responsible person de-escalating is the right answer and certainly getting the police involved rather than going vigilante is the right thing to do. Now there is a record of the event and should anything ugly happen, the stage will be set.
Having a CHL is a big responsibility and we are under a microscope and must constanty give the right image.
On a more positive note, (sort of -- if calling the police because your wife's son's truck [yup, the policeman] was broken in to can be positive) the Constable who showed up at the Northern Tools place in north 45 was very appreciative of the fact that I told him I was carrying and had a CHL. He said that it was okay with him and did not want to see the gun or disarm me. BTW, this place gets cars broken in to ALL the time, bad place to go at all.
Again, thanks for the support and keep safe!
I guess not pressing charges might have been the wrong answer, but calling in the gendarme certainly worked out. I do sort of feel like a "facilitator" for his bad behavior.
I think what I wanted to share most was how ugly it can get when you abuse your CHL and how as a responsible person de-escalating is the right answer and certainly getting the police involved rather than going vigilante is the right thing to do. Now there is a record of the event and should anything ugly happen, the stage will be set.
Having a CHL is a big responsibility and we are under a microscope and must constanty give the right image.
On a more positive note, (sort of -- if calling the police because your wife's son's truck [yup, the policeman] was broken in to can be positive) the Constable who showed up at the Northern Tools place in north 45 was very appreciative of the fact that I told him I was carrying and had a CHL. He said that it was okay with him and did not want to see the gun or disarm me. BTW, this place gets cars broken in to ALL the time, bad place to go at all.
Again, thanks for the support and keep safe!
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:12 pm
klinejg wrote:
Having a CHL is a big responsibility and we are under a microscope and must constanty give the right image.
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:49 pm
Klinejg, I think you handled it just right (with the obvious exception of not carrying). Before calling the police you went and tried to talk to the neighbor about the problem. As an officer, i always thought mor epeople should try talking with their neighbors first, and then call us when it did not work, instead of just calling us with anonymous reports about a problem.
And, when the talk was not productive, you left and called the police. The threats from him were good reason to leave the area and let the professionals handle it.
As for filing charges, I am not sure you really could have made a case worth the hassle of filing charges. The threats to you are very marginal for a threat charge. The win at your wife's car was a good case for criminal mischief (class C, for inconvenience, more if there was actual damage). It might have been an assault, but it would also be a class C since there was no real contact with your wife and no injuries. Class C misdemeanors very rarely do the person filing the charge any real good, though they do get the criminal a record with the police. If the police thought the guy needed a trip to jail, they coul dhave done it already for public intoxication, so they must have agreed with you that it was not needed quite yet.
But, I do want to warn you now to be careful of further action. If the neighbor does anything more to you, it will probably meet the grounds of retaliation. Any illegal act done to you because you called the police is retaliation, and that is a felony. I do strongly recommend that you file that charge if it becomes necessary.
And, when the talk was not productive, you left and called the police. The threats from him were good reason to leave the area and let the professionals handle it.
As for filing charges, I am not sure you really could have made a case worth the hassle of filing charges. The threats to you are very marginal for a threat charge. The win at your wife's car was a good case for criminal mischief (class C, for inconvenience, more if there was actual damage). It might have been an assault, but it would also be a class C since there was no real contact with your wife and no injuries. Class C misdemeanors very rarely do the person filing the charge any real good, though they do get the criminal a record with the police. If the police thought the guy needed a trip to jail, they coul dhave done it already for public intoxication, so they must have agreed with you that it was not needed quite yet.
But, I do want to warn you now to be careful of further action. If the neighbor does anything more to you, it will probably meet the grounds of retaliation. Any illegal act done to you because you called the police is retaliation, and that is a felony. I do strongly recommend that you file that charge if it becomes necessary.
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:18 pm
I had a neighbour like this many years ago. He once literally threatened me with firearm violence right in front of my then 3 year old son. I moved away from that house as quickly as I was able to. It's unfortunate that I had to move away, but the safety of my family was by far the most important thing on my mind at that time.klinejg wrote:He informed me that he had a CHL and was going to get his gun -- twice!
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:31 pm
klinejg:
The bad neighbor CLAIMED that he had a CHL.
When the LCPD officer interviewed him, was it ever determined that this was true?
With such boorish behavior from an adult (ha ha) father, I would think that poor
decisions in prior years would preclude him from qualifying for a CHL.
I travel through suburban neighborhoods all the time where parents let their kids
play in the street. Then when someone drives down the street at a legal speed, the parents
give the driver the stink eye.
Another thing that bugs me is when parents put out those little neon green plastic men with the
orange flags, in the street in front of their house. They say something about "Drive slow - kids".
Well I say the parents ought to be watching their precious ones so they don't play in the street.
Don't rely on some yuppie little toy man to protect them.
SIA
The bad neighbor CLAIMED that he had a CHL.
When the LCPD officer interviewed him, was it ever determined that this was true?
With such boorish behavior from an adult (ha ha) father, I would think that poor
decisions in prior years would preclude him from qualifying for a CHL.
I travel through suburban neighborhoods all the time where parents let their kids
play in the street. Then when someone drives down the street at a legal speed, the parents
give the driver the stink eye.
Another thing that bugs me is when parents put out those little neon green plastic men with the
orange flags, in the street in front of their house. They say something about "Drive slow - kids".
Well I say the parents ought to be watching their precious ones so they don't play in the street.
Don't rely on some yuppie little toy man to protect them.
SIA
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:00 pm
"I travel through suburban neighborhoods all the time where parents let their kids
play in the street. Then when someone drives down the street at a legal speed, the parents
give the driver the stink eye."
Yeah, what's up with that! We ought to be giving them the stink eye! How about taking your kids to a park? Those "slow down" signs make me crazy too!
play in the street. Then when someone drives down the street at a legal speed, the parents
give the driver the stink eye."
Yeah, what's up with that! We ought to be giving them the stink eye! How about taking your kids to a park? Those "slow down" signs make me crazy too!
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:03 pm
I always taught my kids that streets were for cars, and yards for the kids. If I caught a car driving through my yard, they definitely got the stink-eye (the car).
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:50 pm
I agree...What is the street name and general block number, so we can avoid that area...Some of us do live fairly close to that area...It would be good to know...I could care less about the wine sipper myself, I don't particularly care to run near them...gwashorn wrote:Well let's see, I live down FM517 from you. So what part of League City I should avoid?
Gary
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:10 pm
.....just wondering......he's not a butcher, is he????..............
ahem, sorry....
ahem, sorry....
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:26 pm
No he's not, but OP had a convo with him.chuckybrown wrote:.....just wondering......he's not a butcher, is he????..............
ahem, sorry....
Re: Some things CHL Holders should NEVER do
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:32 pm
What if your kid's driving it?Purplehood wrote:I always taught my kids that streets were for cars, and yards for the kids. If I caught a car driving through my yard, they definitely got the stink-eye (the car).