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My company has had the same policy in effect for several years now. They did not when I was first hired and I did carry then. They, too, restrict us from keeping our weapons in our vehicles. My company owns the parking lots.

Can hardly wait for a parking lot bill to become law.

To argue with them is not very likely to persuade them to change their minds. I would relish in the opportunity, though, if I were 100% sure that it would not impact my employment. I might argue the hero point by asking them who will protect me if I were to be attacked while at work. I don't want to be a hero. I just want to survive and they have severely limited my ability to do so if attacked. I especially like VMI77's point about a fire.

Other people and organizations have their policies and I have mine. One of mine is DADT.

In four letters you summarized the rant I was working up :)

Kahrry wrote: "All employees of [my company] are prohibited from using, possessing, or concealing any weapons, whether intentional or not, while on the premises of [the company] or while engaged in work-related activities for [the company], regardless of whether the person is licensed to carry the weapon. Weapons include firearms, handguns, explosive weapons, chemical dispensing devices, clubs, or other weapons."

So basically I couldn't work there if I were in possession of my hands or brain?

Kahrry wrote:The response I got when I first brought it up was "we don't need our employees being hereos" or some crap like that

My answer to whatever idiot said that: "I have no intention of being a hero. I don't want to protect you. You are responsible for your own protection. Your life is of no consequence to me, and apparently, neither of our lives is of any consequence to the company. However, my life is quite precious to me, and I want to be able to defend myself. You can go somewhere else for protection... ...or better yet, get your own gun. But denying me my right to self protection by denying to me the means of dong so is immoral - no matter how you cut it."

I would find it very difficult to work for a company that made me lie down with the sheep every day.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Kahrry wrote:The response I got when I first brought it up was "we don't need our employees being hereos" or some crap like that

My answer to whatever idiot said that: "I have no intention of being a hero. I don't want to protect you. You are responsible for your own protection. Your life is of no consequence to me, and apparently, neither of our lives is of any consequence to the company. However, my life is quite precious to me, and I want to be able to defend myself. You can go somewhere else for protection... ...or better yet, get your own gun. But denying me my right to self protection by denying to me the means of dong so is immoral - no matter how you cut it."

Well put. Would this be said before or after you had another job lined up?

DADT works really well in some circumstances, and this is one of them. I am an independent contractor working a project for a very large company, at one of their vendors. I have worked 5 projects at this particular vendor in the last 4 years. They have a gated parking lot, and on that gate, is a large sign stating that weapons and ammunition (among other things like drugs and alcohol) are prohibited from the premises. It also states that all vehicles and personal property within the gates is subject to search. It is obviously not a proper legal sign, but their intent is clear. I park my truck in the parking lot every day, lock the doors, and keep my 2A in the safe under the seat. When I get into my office, my Supertuck comes off and goes in my laptop bag. At the end of the day, the supertuck goes back IWB, and as soon as I clear the gate, the XD comes out of the safe and back into the holster.

TexasGal wrote:
I would find it very difficult to work for a company that made me lie down with the sheep every day.

I only said what my company's policy was. I did not say that I followed that policy...

WildBill wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Kahrry wrote:

philip964 wrote:"All employees should be treated with courtesy and respect at all times." This is good.

I guess squashing my 2nd amendment right doesn't count. Not to mention there is no policy or SOP put in to place to protect me since I am forbidden from doing it myself.

The response I got when I first brought it up was "we don't need our employees being hereos" or some crap like that

Wow, the "we don't need our employees being heroes attitude" is just so respectful. What if no weapons were involved, but say, in a fire, you risked serious injury and saved the company a whole lot of money ---how you think that kind of heroics would go down?

You might get an attaboy and a free pass to a movie. If you expect to be carried around on the shoulders of the company managers while your co-workers applaud then you are fooling yourself. That only happens in the movies.

I think maybe you missed my point. In fact, an attaboy would be about all I'd expect someone to get, but my intention was to contrast that mere attaboy, still a positive, with the condescension and disrespect inherent in the line about not needing their employees to be heroes. I have worked in places where the company did indeed want and expect you to risk your life to protect company property in various accident scenarios. You might not have even gotten an attaboy, but not doing it might have gotten you fired. I once experienced a work event potentially dangerous enough that the city fire department stayed outside while the company employees dealt with the situation. That was before CHL was an issue --but that company did have policies against having weapons in your vehicle. As another example, I think oil field workers are expected to take some pretty serious on the job risks but out in West Texas there is no shortage of signs at the entrances to oil fields prohibiting weapons.

In other words, the pretense of concern about heroics and employee welfare is, in my experience, often just that: a pretense, and phony. That said, where I work now, respect for employees is genuine. Best place I've ever worked.

bigred90gt wrote:DADT works really well in some circumstances, and this is one of them. I am an independent contractor working a project for a very large company, at one of their vendors. I have worked 5 projects at this particular vendor in the last 4 years. They have a gated parking lot, and on that gate, is a large sign stating that weapons and ammunition (among other things like drugs and alcohol) are prohibited from the premises. It also states that all vehicles and personal property within the gates is subject to search. It is obviously not a proper legal sign, but their intent is clear. I park my truck in the parking lot every day, lock the doors, and keep my 2A in the safe under the seat. When I get into my office, my Supertuck comes off and goes in my laptop bag. At the end of the day, the supertuck goes back IWB, and as soon as I clear the gate, the XD comes out of the safe and back into the holster.

In my case, my next mailing address would be Leavenworth, and not a residential zip. Alternatives are necessary.

VMI77 wrote:I think maybe you missed my point. In fact, an attaboy would be about all I'd expect someone to get, but my intention was to contrast that mere attaboy, still a positive, with the condescension and disrespect inherent in the line about not needing their employees to be heroes. I have worked in places where the company did indeed want and expect you to risk your life to protect company property in various accident scenarios. You might not have even gotten an attaboy, but not doing it might have gotten you fired. I once experienced a work event potentially dangerous enough that the city fire department stayed outside while the company employees dealt with the situation. That was before CHL was an issue --but that company did have policies against having weapons in your vehicle. As another example, I think oil field workers are expected to take some pretty serious on the job risks but out in West Texas there is no shortage of signs at the entrances to oil fields prohibiting weapons.

In other words, the pretense of concern about heroics and employee welfare is, in my experience, often just that: a pretense, and phony. That said, where I work now, respect for employees is genuine. Best place I've ever worked.

Sorry, I did misunderstand. You have very good points about the duality between company policy and the expected actions of employees. I am fortunate to work for a good company, too. During hurricane Ike, my company bought and trucked in hundreds of portable generators for affected employees.

Kahrry wrote: ...I guess squashing my 2nd amendment right doesn't count....

In view of a couple of comments here, I must note, simply so that we may be sure of just what the battle is, so that we might watch our language so as to not confuse ouselves, and so as to avoid "ready, fire, aim," the 2d Amendment only limits, to some as yet undetermined extent, the authority of the federal government, and, since Keller, the District of Columbia, and, since McDonald, state and local governments.

It has not yet been applied to limit the authority of your employer in this regard.

Elmo

b322da wrote: In view of a couple of comments here, I must note, simply so that we may be sure of just what the battle is, so that we might watch our language so as to not confuse ouselves, and so as to avoid "ready, fire, aim," the 2d Amendment only limits, to some as yet undetermined extent, the authority of the federal government, and, since Keller, the District of Columbia, and, since McDonald, state and local governments.
Elmo

Say again...please.

OldSchool wrote:In my case, my next mailing address would be Leavenworth, and not a residential zip. Alternatives are necessary.

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