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AlexKilpatrick wrote:

"Initially the call came in that the gun had been dropped and went off, but the trajectory of the bullet did not match up," said the sheriff.

I hate when people do this.

Also, I don't really understand the exercise, but if you were totally new to it, why would you do this with live rounds?

Just mind boggling. Live rounds in an unfamiliar gun doing advanced movements with beginners is a recipe for the disaster that happened.

So many stupid excuses come to mind,,bottom line

The Lord Works In Mysterious Ways

should have never happened,,if advanced , how ???? just stupid,,,sorry if I offend anyone,,,

makes US look bad

Sorry for the loss!!

Another reason safeties can be bad. Go Glock!!

It appeared to him that during the exercise Seymour was manipulating the safety with his left index finger, which got the gun turned around facing Seymour. One round hit him in the chest, Degase said.

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First we had Glock Leg. Now we have Browning Chest.

Ameer wrote:

It appeared to him that during the exercise Seymour was manipulating the safety with his left index finger, which got the gun turned around facing Seymour. One round hit him in the chest, Degase said.

First we had Glock Leg. Now we have Browning Chest.[/quote]

Next, we're gonna' have sue the instructor - really big.

I read on a different forum that he was drawing from a shoulder holster. I don't even think drawing should be taught in a basic CHL course, but drawing from a shoulder holster by an absolute beginner is even worse. There are good reasons that both IDPA and USPSA will not allow shoulder holsters in competition.

Jumping Frog wrote:I read on a different forum that he was drawing from a shoulder holster. I don't even think drawing should be taught in a basic CHL course, but drawing from a shoulder holster by an absolute beginner is even worse. There are good reasons that both IDPA and USPSA will not allow shoulder holsters in competition.

Did anyone cite credible documentation of this?

The above would make the third version of this incident we've seen.

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flb_78 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7AMMF7WaB8

Flb_78 - Thanks for posting the video. It is easy to see how this could happen performing this training exercise.

Did they started with dry fire and drawing from unloaded pistol?

Beiruty wrote:Did they started with dry fire and drawing from unloaded pistol?

Don't know. It still wasn't appropriate or neccesary for a beginner's [CHL] class.

WildBill wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Did they started with dry fire and drawing from unloaded pistol?

Don't know. It still wasn't appropriate or neccesary for a beginner's [CHL] class.

If I was to do such draw, I would do it only with unload pistol. Too much risk, to flip up pistol with single and then disable safety. Even with not safety at question, I would put the pistol between my knees pointing downward and re-grab the pistol .

Beiruty wrote:

WildBill wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Did they started with dry fire and drawing from unloaded pistol?

Don't know. It still wasn't appropriate or neccesary for a beginner's [CHL] class.

If I was to do such draw, I would do it only with unload pistol. Too much risk, to flip up pistol with single and then disable safety. Even with not safety at question, I would put the pistol between my knees pointing downward and re-grab the pistol .

That's one reason to carry a handgun without a safety [or a 1911 or other gun with an ambidextrous safety].

Some minor points.

-As noted earlier, this was in Missouri not Texas.
-The license there is called a "CCW" (concealed carry weapons).
-The class is different, but does not necessarily require weak hand shooting drills, and certainly is a bad idea to do them for the first time with a loaded handgun.

If this individual had killed someone other than himself, the terminology police would have been all over the thread. Should I suggest for consistency's sake, the thread should be re-titled: "Man Negligently Murders Himself During CCW Class". I mean it's too much to say someone killed himself by accident...

One side of me says how sad and tragic. The other side of me says that this is Darwin in action. Any course worth its salt should teach and stress at all times 4 basic rules of firearm safety. While advanced drills shouldn't be taught at a basic CCW/CHL course, if you aren't comfortable with a drill voice that to an instructor and worse case scenario you lose you CHL money but walk away (potentially in most cases and actually in this case) with your life. Sometimes the hard lessons you can't afford to even learn one time...

Condolences to those surviving him