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zx9rt1 wrote:Does anyone know if it is o.k. to carry at the Dallas Zoo? We havent been there in a couple of years and are fixing head out this morning. As usual there is no info on the Dallas Zoo website. Any information?

PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses
or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted

RoyGBiv wrote:

PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses
or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted

Good luck finding a day when there is not an organized school field trip to the Zoo.

BrianSW99 wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:

PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses
or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted

Good luck finding a day when there is not an organized school field trip to the Zoo.

I think the general opinion on that is that if you're not there with the school group, the fact that a school group might be there at the same time you are doesn't make it off limits. At least that's what I seem to recall Charles as having said about it in the past.

RoyGBiv wrote:

BrianSW99 wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:

PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses
or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted

Good luck finding a day when there is not an organized school field trip to the Zoo.

I think the general opinion on that is that if you're not there with the school group, the fact that a school group might be there at the same time you are doesn't make it off limits. At least that's what I seem to recall Charles as having said about it in the past.

I'd appreciate a reference if you can locate it...
If correct, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
I'd be pleased to be mistaken about my earlier post.

RoyGBiv wrote: I'd appreciate a reference if you can locate it...
If correct, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
I'd be pleased to be mistaken about my earlier post.

BrianSW99 wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote: I'd appreciate a reference if you can locate it...
If correct, that would be a good thing, IMHO.
I'd be pleased to be mistaken about my earlier post.

Here's one:

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Charles L. Cotton wrote: Postby Charles L. Cotton » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:09 pm

Caveat: There is no case law on this issue.

This issue comes up periodically. As noted, there is no case law on the issue of whether school sponsored activities conducted off-campus render such locations off limits to CHLs. However, it is my opinion that TPC §46.03(a)(1) makes it clear that the "grounds" or "building[s]" where the school sponsored activities are conducted must be owned by the school. There are at least two justifications for this position. First, everything in §46.03(a)(1) deals with school property. This is shown by the phrase "of a school or educational institution" and by reference to "a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution." If a teacher put her class on a city buss to go to the library, the activity would be school sponsored, but the buss would not be "a passenger transportation vehicle of a school," thus it would not be off limits to CHLs.

More importantly, all of the prohibitions can be waived by a school, as evidenced by the provision "unless pursuant to written regulation or written authorization of the institution." Schools clearly do not have the authority to authorize the carrying of firearms on property they do not own, so they would not be able to authorize anyone to carry a gun into a public library. Nor would a school have the authority to allow someone to carry a gun into a private restaurant, if the school sponsored activity included lunch at such a location. The only way this closing phrase can be meaningful is by reading §46.03(a)(1) to apply only to property owned by the school. The rules of statutory construction require that statutes be read in such as way as to give meaning to every provision, unless this is impossible. Every provision in TPC §46.03(a)(1) can be harmonized, but only by applying it solely to property owned by the school.

Chas.

TPC §46.03 wrote:Sec. 46.03.AAPLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;

i8godzilla wrote: Did you go? Was there a sign at the entrance? Reason I ask is that we are spending the weekend with my daughter's family in Plano and want to take the grandchildren there Saturday?

BrianSW99 wrote:

i8godzilla wrote: Did you go? Was there a sign at the entrance? Reason I ask is that we are spending the weekend with my daughter's family in Plano and want to take the grandchildren there Saturday?

I've been there within the last year and at the time there was a too small, non-compliant, 30.06 sign in the window of the membership booth.

However, even though the City of Dallas has outsourced the management of the Dallas Zoo, they still own the property, so 30.06 should be unenforceable even if it was a compliant sign.