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TC-TX wrote:

I am opposed to government registration as it is, and the 4473 and FFL's requirement to keep those records is registration.

Actually - the 4473 never leaves the FFL files (unless a firearm has been used in a crime and a copy has been requested by the BATFE) NOR is the sale ever recorded with the BATFE at any time.

I know. Thats what I wrote. I am opposed to the government requiring private businesses to maintain files that amount to registration. ;)

llwatson wrote:I thought about this for a few minutes, and then realized I have NEVER sold a gun. I have let a few be adopted into good homes, but I have never SOLD one. Why, that would be just like selling one of the kids.

Hmm... wonder how much I could get for one of them kids?

This cracks me up. I bought a C&R rifle off of a guy on one of the boards, and he asked me about how to go about shipping it. I realized I had never sold a gun before, much less shipped one, lol

Why not flash CHL's at each other? No need to write anything down.

zedsdead wrote:This cracks me up. I bought a C&R rifle off of a guy on one of the boards, and he asked me about how to go about shipping it. I realized I had never sold a gun before, much less shipped one, lol

I'm in the same boat. I've saved all my shipping boxes, but I've never shipped a rifle. I sold three of a Turkish Mauser 5-fer, but I bought the five with the intent of culling three. That was face to face in my own house, with a coworker. I later traded a fourth one away to get another C&R rifle. And, I've agreed to sell a mint MAS 36-51 to a different coworker, but we haven't gone through with the deal yet.

Oh, and since we're talking C&R... when a C&R FFL sells a C&R firearm, he must check the buyer's ID, and record the information in his bound book. There's no 4473 or NICS, but it is a purchase from an FFL.

Kevin

Jacob Staff wrote:Why not flash CHL's at each other? No need to write anything down.

I've done this for every swap. I also stick to board members that are established, or people I know decently well or better.

-nick

gigag04 wrote:

Jacob Staff wrote:Why not flash CHL's at each other? No need to write anything down.

I've done this for every swap. I also stick to board members that are established, or people I know decently well or better.

-nick

So far that's worked for me. I've only sold / traded one gun to someone That I didn't know personally. The individual was a really class guy. We flashed CHL's and deal was done.

dws1117 wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

Jacob Staff wrote:Why not flash CHL's at each other? No need to write anything down.

I've done this for every swap. I also stick to board members that are established, or people I know decently well or better.

-nick

So far that's worked for me. I've only sold / traded one gun to someone That I didn't know personally. The individual was a really class guy. We flashed CHL's and deal was done.

If in reference to me, then I agree :)

If not, then I take your word.

Sad to see your G19 up for sale for a camera. Whatcha getting?

-nick

TC-TX wrote:

I am opposed to government registration as it is, and the 4473 and FFL's requirement to keep those records is registration.

Actually - the 4473 never leaves the FFL files (unless a firearm has been used in a crime and a copy has been requested by the BATFE) NOR is the sale ever recorded with the BATFE at any time.

This is true unless the FFL goes out of business. Then his records (bound book of 4473's) must be turned in to the BATFE. To the untrained eye, it would look like they are basically having the FFL's maintain their records for them until (or if) they need them. This saves them alot of file work.

rodnocker1 wrote:

TC-TX wrote:

I am opposed to government registration as it is, and the 4473 and FFL's requirement to keep those records is registration.

Actually - the 4473 never leaves the FFL files (unless a firearm has been used in a crime and a copy has been requested by the BATFE) NOR is the sale ever recorded with the BATFE at any time.

This is true unless the FFL goes out of business. Then his records (bound book of 4473's) must be turned in to the BATFE. To the untrained eye, it would look like they are basically having the FFL's maintain their records for them until (or if) they need them. This saves them alot of file work.

True, but for practical purposes, those records are lost forever without having been indexed or scanned into a database. I imagine a "raiders of the lost ark" kind of warehouse filled with boxes of records. I've never heard that the ATF has the kind of manpower or ability to keep the records up.

If the person I am about to sell a firearm to FTF is not willing to give me proper ID and allow for both his/her ID and mine to be documented in a BILL OF SALE that we both sign and get a copy of, then, THE DEAL IS OFF! Simple as that! NO IFS, NO ANDS OR NO BUTS!