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AEA wrote:: I think that the Old Folks here are the ones that contribute to keeping the CHL program in Texas alive. I could be wrong, I have been before, even on this Forum!

Hmmm, I wonder which group I fall into??? I'll choose the younger crowd and say I too will carry until they pry it from my dead cold fingers. OK, maybe they get it from my IWB holster, but you get the point.

In Texas we have an abundance of 'badged' 'LEO's:

Art. 2.12, WHO ARE PEACE OFFICERS. The following are peace officers:
(1) sheriffs, their deputies, and those reserve deputies who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(2) constables, deputy constables, and those reserve deputy constables who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(3) marshals or police officers of an incorporated city, town, or village, and those reserve municipal police officers who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(4) rangers and officers commissioned by the Public Safety Commission and the Director of the Department of Public Safety;
(5) investigators of the district attorneys', criminal district attorneys', and county attorneys' offices;
(6) law enforcement agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission;
(7) each member of an arson investigating unit commissioned by a city, a county, or the state;
(8) officers commissioned under Section 37.081, Education Code, or Subchapter E, Chapter 51, Education Code;
(9) officers commissioned by the General Services Commission;
(10) law enforcement officers commissioned by the Parks and Wildlife Commission;
(11) airport police officers commissioned by a city with a population of more than 1.18 million that operates an airport that serves commercial air carriers;
(12) airport security personnel commissioned as peace officers by the governing body of any political subdivision of this state, other than a city described by Subdivision (11), that operates an airport that serves commercial air carriers;
(13) municipal park and recreational patrolmen and security officers;
(14) security officers and investigators commissioned as peace officers by the comptroller;
(15) officers commissioned by a water control and improvement district under Section 49.216, Water Code;
(16) officers commissioned by a board of trustees under Chapter 54, Transportation Code;
(17) investigators commissioned by the Texas Medical Board;
(18) officers commissioned by the board of managers of the Dallas County Hospital District, the Tarrant County Hospital District, or the Bexar County Hospital District under Section 281.057, Health and Safety Code;
(19) county park rangers commissioned under Subchapter E, Chapter 351, Local Government Code;
(20) investigators employed by the Texas Racing Commission;
(21) officers commissioned under Chapter 554, Occupations Code;
(22) officers commissioned by the governing body of a metropolitan rapid transit authority under Section 451.108, Transportation Code, or by a regional transportation authority under Section 452.110, Transportation Code;
(23) investigators commissioned by the attorney general under Section 402.009, Government Code;
(24) security officers and investigators commissioned as peace officers under Chapter 466, Government Code;
(25) an officer employed by the Department of State Health Services under Section 431.2471, Health and Safety Code;
(26) officers appointed by an appellate court under Subchapter F, Chapter 53, Government Code;
(27) officers commissioned by the state fire marshal under Chapter 417, Government Code;
(28) an investigator commissioned by the commissioner of insurance under Section 701.104, Insurance Code;
(29) apprehension specialists and inspectors general commissioned by the Texas Youth Commission as officers under Sections 61.0451 and 61.0931, Human Resources Code;
(30) officers appointed by the inspector general of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice under Section 493.019, Government Code;
(31) investigators commissioned by the Commission on Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Education under Section 1701.160, Occupations Code;
(32) commission investigators commissioned by the Texas Private Security Board under Section 1702.061(f), Occupations Code;
(33) the fire marshal and any officers, inspectors, or investigators commissioned by an emergency services district under Chapter 775, Health and Safety Code;
(34) officers commissioned by the State Board of Dental Examiners under Section 254.013, Occupations Code, subject to the limitations imposed by that section; and
(35) investigators commissioned by the Texas Juvenile Probation Commission as officers under Section 141.055, Human Resources Code.

I think the state board of barbershop/hair salons also sought (obtained?) authority to commission badged officers!

We Texans must be an unruly lot.

JJVP wrote:Here is an even better stat. There are around 52 million households that own guns. There are 1.43 million active duty arm forces personnel with and additional 0.85 million reserves. 52 million civilian gun owners, 2.28 million military.

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Ooooooo... You sourced Wikipedia LOL

snatchel wrote:

JJVP wrote:Here is an even better stat. There are around 52 million households that own guns. There are 1.43 million active duty arm forces personnel with and additional 0.85 million reserves. 52 million civilian gun owners, 2.28 million military.

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Ooooooo... You sourced Wikipedia LOL

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JJVP wrote:Here is an even better stat. There are around 52 million households that own guns. There are 1.43 million active duty arm forces personnel with and additional 0.85 million reserves. 52 million civilian gun owners, 2.28 million military.

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_ ... of_America" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can't compare USA forces to the civillians, the US defense budget is $500,000,000,000 per year! That is $15,854.89 per second!
It is like comparing Aliens (Emperor forces) forces, to stone-age spear-welding hunters.

When looking at national statistics, Newsweek has reported that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).

fishfree wrote:In Texas we have an abundance of 'badged' 'LEO's:

Art. 2.12, WHO ARE PEACE OFFICERS. The following are peace officers:
(34) officers commissioned by the State Board of Dental Examiners under Section 254.013, Occupations Code, subject to the limitations imposed by that section;

We Texans must be an unruly lot.

Especially those rogue dentists!

Jumping Frog wrote:When looking at national statistics, Newsweek has reported that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).

That one will sure jump out and grab your attention. However, I think that is mostly because we, as CHLees, don't go out looking for the bad guys. The bad guys come to us and identify themselves by their actions. With the police, they do go looking for them and sometimes make mistakes. So, just by the laws of probability, CHLees are bound to have better numbers.

fishfree wrote:In Texas we have an abundance of 'badged' 'LEO's:

Art. 2.12, WHO ARE PEACE OFFICERS. The following are peace officers:
(1) sheriffs, their deputies, and those reserve deputies who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(2) constables, deputy constables, and those reserve deputy constables who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(3) marshals or police officers of an incorporated city, town, or village, and those reserve municipal police officers who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(4) rangers and officers commissioned by the Public Safety Commission and the Director of the Department of Public Safety;
(5) investigators of the district attorneys', criminal district attorneys', and county attorneys' offices;
(6) law enforcement agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission;
(7) each member of an arson investigating unit commissioned by a city, a county, or the state;
(8) officers commissioned under Section 37.081, Education Code, or Subchapter E, Chapter 51, Education Code;
(9) officers commissioned by the General Services Commission;
(10) law enforcement officers commissioned by the Parks and Wildlife Commission;
(11) airport police officers commissioned by a city with a population of more than 1.18 million that operates an airport that serves commercial air carriers;
(12) airport security personnel commissioned as peace officers by the governing body of any political subdivision of this state, other than a city described by Subdivision (11), that operates an airport that serves commercial air carriers;
(13) municipal park and recreational patrolmen and security officers;
(14) security officers and investigators commissioned as peace officers by the comptroller;
(15) officers commissioned by a water control and improvement district under Section 49.216, Water Code;
(16) officers commissioned by a board of trustees under Chapter 54, Transportation Code;
(17) investigators commissioned by the Texas Medical Board;
(18) officers commissioned by the board of managers of the Dallas County Hospital District, the Tarrant County Hospital District, or the Bexar County Hospital District under Section 281.057, Health and Safety Code;
(19) county park rangers commissioned under Subchapter E, Chapter 351, Local Government Code;
(20) investigators employed by the Texas Racing Commission;
(21) officers commissioned under Chapter 554, Occupations Code;
(22) officers commissioned by the governing body of a metropolitan rapid transit authority under Section 451.108, Transportation Code, or by a regional transportation authority under Section 452.110, Transportation Code;
(23) investigators commissioned by the attorney general under Section 402.009, Government Code;
(24) security officers and investigators commissioned as peace officers under Chapter 466, Government Code;
(25) an officer employed by the Department of State Health Services under Section 431.2471, Health and Safety Code;
(26) officers appointed by an appellate court under Subchapter F, Chapter 53, Government Code;
(27) officers commissioned by the state fire marshal under Chapter 417, Government Code;
(28) an investigator commissioned by the commissioner of insurance under Section 701.104, Insurance Code;
(29) apprehension specialists and inspectors general commissioned by the Texas Youth Commission as officers under Sections 61.0451 and 61.0931, Human Resources Code;
(30) officers appointed by the inspector general of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice under Section 493.019, Government Code;
(31) investigators commissioned by the Commission on Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Education under Section 1701.160, Occupations Code;
(32) commission investigators commissioned by the Texas Private Security Board under Section 1702.061(f), Occupations Code;
(33) the fire marshal and any officers, inspectors, or investigators commissioned by an emergency services district under Chapter 775, Health and Safety Code;
(34) officers commissioned by the State Board of Dental Examiners under Section 254.013, Occupations Code, subject to the limitations imposed by that section; and
(35) investigators commissioned by the Texas Juvenile Probation Commission as officers under Section 141.055, Human Resources Code.

I think the state board of barbershop/hair salons also sought (obtained?) authority to commission badged officers!

We Texans must be an unruly lot.

WOW! Is there anybody left in Texas who ISN'T badged? (Other than me, of course!)

TheMilkMan wrote:I, as well, am young, and carry everywhere I legally can. Of course I haven't been at it as long, however I don't plan to change. I miss the form fitting clothes, though.

I miss the form fitting clothes too but carrying didn't cause that

Just about every regulatory agency in Texas has investigators with peace officer powers, but in some agencies they are very few in number. For example, the Texas Racing Commission has something like 10 investigators for the whole state.

CHLers far out number peace officers, and in a lot of cases can shoot better :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

This may not be a scientific analysis but I can say from personal experience, many CHL holders don't carry 24/7. I carry 24/7 but of the CHL holders I personally know and have contact with on a regular basis, there are 12 that I can count just off the top of my head. ONE of those carry 24/7...ME... the rest are 50/50 at best and a few of those rarely carry in the car or anywhere.

Forums like this tend to attract the most ardent of the forum topic. In this case... CHL... so it is not a surprise to read all the "I Carry 24/7" posts. Go on a "dog Breeder" forum and most folks posting there will have strong ideas about dog breeding. It doesn't mean the guy who has a dog that got knocked up by the neighborhood stray likes breeding pups.

Many CHLers will start out carrying 24/7 and after a year or two, slowly start reverting back to not carrying and eventually will stop. When young, two years feels like a LONG time...LOL. We will see how many are still carrying in five years.

sjfcontrol wrote:WOW! Is there anybody left in Texas who ISN'T badged? (Other than me, of course!)

Nope, just you and those who refuse to buy CHL badges. After all, that list is not complete. He cut it short one plus left off the special peace officers (like railroad police). And he did not mention the special investigators that are all federal agents.

But I did think it was important to note that the Pharmacists are getting pretty rowdy lately. In one of the recent sessions they finally changed the law and said the Pharmacy board investigators could carry weapons now.

Count me in as a 24/7 carrier anywhere I am, unless it's a 30.06 site.

I can't fathom how someone can feel it's important enough to get a CHL and a gun in order to thwart evil,
but then they leave the gun at home most of the time because they don't think they'll need it.

Do these people only get car insurance once in a while when they feel like they're going to get in a wreck?

Sheesh!

How stupid would somone feel if they got robbed or carjacked, they had their CHL's, but the gun was at home?

SIA

surprise_I'm_armed wrote:Count me in as a 24/7 carrier anywhere I am, unless it's a 30.06 site.

I can't fathom how someone can feel it's important enough to get a CHL and a gun in order to thwart evil,
but then they leave the gun at home most of the time because they don't think they'll need it.

Do these people only get car insurance once in a while when they feel like they're going to get in a wreck?

Sheesh!

How stupid would someone feel if they got robbed or carjacked, they had their CHL's, but the gun was at home?

SIA

You are making the assumption that people get insurance in case they get in a wreck. I am old enough to have been around and driving when insurance was not required by law. It was a HUGE problem!!! Many people did not have insurance. Fact is, a HUGE percentage of people get insurance only because the auto finance company requires comprehensive. proof is in the large number of folks who carry liability only once the car is paid off. Liability is carried by many people because the law requires it. Nobody really believes they are going to get into an accident.

Folks who get a CHL and don't carry are often the folks who are convinced to get one by well meaning relatives. How many right here on this forum have worked very hard to convince the wife or girlfriend to get her CHL? I have read the posts. I believe if people get a CHL in the moment of fear, such as a recent close encounter with crime, or because the husband or boyfriend terrified them into getting one... these folks are highly unlikely to continue a 24/7 carry regimen for the long term.

To carry on in the same tone as comparing a CHL to Car insurance the reasoning seems obvious. People don't think they are going to be involved in a car accident and people don't think they are going to be attacked and need a gun. Truth is... the odds of any one of us actually needing our concealed carry are about the same as getting hit by lightning. By the way... there is a huge difference in needing a concealed handgun and THINKING you needed one. If an incident happens and you didn't actually pull your gun... you didn't need it.