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Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:49 am
by WildBill
C-dub wrote:I think OC is legal in MN and I don't know about their restrictions on bars and guns.
A person with a pistol carry permit in Minnesota can carry openly or concealed. I can't find any restrictions about carrying in a bar on the Minnesota website. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.714" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:25 pm
by hi-power
C-dub wrote:I think OC is legal in MN and I don't know about their restrictions on bars and guns.
This is a quote about the bar part from another source. I don't know whether it's true or not because I haven't looked it up.
Minnesota has no laws stating it is illegal to carry a pistol into an establishment that sells alcohol, however it is a crime to carry a concealed handgun when under the influence of alcohol. It is not known whether King had been drinking.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:22 am
by Bullwhip
pbwalker wrote:
philip964 wrote:The incident has racial overtones as the CHL holder is Black and the police appeared to be Caucasian.
:shock:

wow...
I see one black face in the bunch of cops. It's a pretty white state, nothing unusual about that.

Dont' know if they picked him out because he's black, but they sure did him wrong if he's telling it how it really went down.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:47 am
by pbwalker
Bullwhip wrote:
pbwalker wrote:
philip964 wrote:The incident has racial overtones as the CHL holder is Black and the police appeared to be Caucasian.
:shock:

wow...
I see one black face in the bunch of cops. It's a pretty white state, nothing unusual about that.

Dont' know if they picked him out because he's black, but they sure did him wrong if he's telling it how it really went down.
It's a very white state...I spent 8 years of my life up there. But to say there are racial overtones is uninformed and incorrect.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:22 am
by WildBill
The picture shows the guy was pretty beat up. I don't recall anything about the man resisting arrest.
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Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:43 am
by philip964
pbwalker wrote:
Bullwhip wrote:
pbwalker wrote:
philip964 wrote:The incident has racial overtones as the CHL holder is Black and the police appeared to be Caucasian.
:shock:

wow...
I see one black face in the bunch of cops. It's a pretty white state, nothing unusual about that.

Dont' know if they picked him out because he's black, but they sure did him wrong if he's telling it how it really went down.
It's a very white state...I spent 8 years of my life up there. But to say there are racial overtones is uninformed and incorrect.
Five white policemen beat up one black man who apparently has broken no laws. Racially motivated. No. Racial overtones. Yes. I stand by my choice of words.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:46 am
by pbwalker
philip964 wrote:
Five white policemen beat up one black man who apparently has broken no laws. Racially motivated. No. Racial overtones. Yes. I stand by my choice of words.

Five white police officers beat up one black man not apparently violating any law, racially motivated, no. Racial overtones. Yes. I stand by my choice of words.
Ok, well I like to pass judgement when I know all the facts. Not one side of the story as presented by a new article on the web.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:43 am
by clarionite
Edit:

[Voluntarily removed because it was viewed as a personal attack.]

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:20 pm
by Keith B
OK folks, drop the personal attacks now.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:47 pm
by clarionite
Keith B wrote:OK folks, drop the personal attacks now.
I'm sorry if my comment seemed to be personal. The jerk statement wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, but as a reason to dislike someone instead of race.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:49 pm
by philip964
pbwalker wrote:
philip964 wrote:
Five white policemen beat up one black man who apparently has broken no laws. Racially motivated. No. Racial overtones. Yes. I stand by my choice of words.

Five white police officers beat up one black man not apparently violating any law, racially motivated, no. Racial overtones. Yes. I stand by my choice of words.
Ok, well I like to pass judgement when I know all the facts. Not one side of the story as presented by a new article on the web.
I shoot from the hip, as I have already switched sides once on this thread.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:11 pm
by Transplant
Here is a follow up article with more details. I dont think it's been posted yet.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-thoug ... the-blaze/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Couple of high points:
After leaving a local nightclub, King said he was walking down a Minneapolis street heading towards his truck at around 2:45 a.m. when he observed some police officers in front of him, which he says “wasn’t a problem” because he was doing nothing wrong.
Before making it to his vehicle, though, one of the officers stopped him and asked, “Hey, what’s that bulge under your shirt?”
King said he put his hands in the air and informed the officer that he was in possession of a handgun and a legal concealed carry permit. His permit does not expire until 2017, he said.
“He did not ask first to see my permit, he did not ask to see my ID,” King explained. “He just grabbed me by the neck and slammed me against the wall and snatched my gun from its holster, screaming ‘gun! gun! gun!’”
Four additional cops reacted to the commotion and began beating King and slamming his face on the ground, he said.
King says he had not been drinking any alcohol the night he was beaten and arrested and claims he took two separate breathalyzer tests, one administered by the police and another at the hospital. Both readings turned up zero traces of alcohol, he says, although that has not been verified by officials.
“I did not drink one lick at all … . I know I’m not supposed to when I have my gun,” King told The Blaze. “I wanted them to give me a breathalyzer because I knew I hadn’t been drinking anything and they have to try to find a reason for why they beat and arrested me.”
If his story is true this seems bad.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:51 pm
by Dave2
Transplant wrote:Here is a follow up article with more details. I dont think it's been posted yet.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-thoug ... the-blaze/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Couple of high points:
After leaving a local nightclub, King said he was walking down a Minneapolis street heading towards his truck at around 2:45 a.m. when he observed some police officers in front of him, which he says “wasn’t a problem” because he was doing nothing wrong.
Before making it to his vehicle, though, one of the officers stopped him and asked, “Hey, what’s that bulge under your shirt?”
King said he put his hands in the air and informed the officer that he was in possession of a handgun and a legal concealed carry permit. His permit does not expire until 2017, he said.
“He did not ask first to see my permit, he did not ask to see my ID,” King explained. “He just grabbed me by the neck and slammed me against the wall and snatched my gun from its holster, screaming ‘gun! gun! gun!’”
Four additional cops reacted to the commotion and began beating King and slamming his face on the ground, he said.
King says he had not been drinking any alcohol the night he was beaten and arrested and claims he took two separate breathalyzer tests, one administered by the police and another at the hospital. Both readings turned up zero traces of alcohol, he says, although that has not been verified by officials.
“I did not drink one lick at all … . I know I’m not supposed to when I have my gun,” King told The Blaze. “I wanted them to give me a breathalyzer because I knew I hadn’t been drinking anything and they have to try to find a reason for why they beat and arrested me.”
If his story is true this seems bad.
... for the cops, that is. Dunno how well-off he is now, but King will be able to live like one for a very long after his lawyers are done with this.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:30 pm
by tacticool
Dave2 wrote:
Transplant wrote:If his story is true this seems bad.
... for the cops, that is. Dunno how well-off he is now, but King will be able to live like one for a very long after his lawyers are done with this.
He wasn't killed, so I wouldn't count on him getting more than Scott's family.

Re: Minn. Police Beat Man For Gun, Despite Permit

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:18 pm
by WildBill
tacticool wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
Transplant wrote:If his story is true this seems bad.
... for the cops, that is. Dunno how well-off he is now, but King will be able to live like one for a very long after his lawyers are done with this.
He wasn't killed, so I wouldn't count on him getting more than Scott's family.
The amount of a settlement that a person gets depends on many factors. Whether or not it is "a lot of money" or will leave them "well off" is relative.

When someone is killed, and their heirs sue, the future earning capacity of the deceased is one of the factors that is used to determine the amount of a settlement. Whether or not the heirs will agree to the proposal depends on the financial situation of the heirs and how much or how little they will settle. For some people a lump sum of $100,000 is a lot of money. More than they would ever see in their lifetime. For others, that amount as a proposed settlement would be considered an insult.