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anygunanywhere wrote:

cheezit wrote:leaning nither left or right and being from cali. i can assure you there are plenty of libs that are pro 2a.

Sorry. The only time this makes sense is if the word liberal is used in the original definition.

The current liberal is defined as a progressive. The progressive mentality is that of collectivismn and socialism/marxism.

A person cannot call themselves a liberal and at the same time be pro 2A. They are not mutually inclusive.

Also, if an individual claims to be both, at what point along the progressive agenda continuum will they either:

1. Give up their 2A RKBA so they can remain in the good graces of the progressive socialist crowd.

or

2. Realize the error of their ways and hold true to the 2A and the rest of the constitution and BOR and abandon the progressive agenda?

I grow weary of these current crop of liberals trying to project a false facade of being pro 2A while at the the same time voting and supporting those who are intent on disarming me.

Anygunanywhere

This is why I reject the myth of someone being a "liberal" and being pro 2A. This is a prime example of the progressive collectivist belief that is the foundation of the democrat party. They rely on lies to support their belief.

Why would someone who claims to be pro 2A associate themselves with this belief system?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/opini ... paper&_r=0

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:This is why I reject the myth of someone being a "liberal" and being pro 2A. This is a prime example of the progressive collectivist belief that is the foundation of the democrat party. They rely on lies to support their belief.

Why would someone who claims to be pro 2A associate themselves with this belief system?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/opini ... paper&_r=0

Anygunanywhere

I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

While I wish to keep things as civil as I can, I also do not intend to be "nice" to collectivists by "agreeing" that they are "reasonable" regarding firearms; they are not. They want to limit our rights as free American citizens, and as Texans, too. I will state this as clearly as I can: I have not harmed anyone with my firearms nor done anything else to warrant being treated as a criminal or potential criminal. I do not intend to use my firearms against another human being unless it is necessary in the defense of my family, myself, or perhaps my property, depending on the property in question and the situation. I do not agree with any of these new "gun control" laws being proposed, nor the POTUS' list of executive orders. I don't care if they are "watching me" in that regard. If I make them unhappy with my viewpoint, so be it.

anygunanywhere wrote:

cheezit wrote:leaning nither left or right and being from cali. i can assure you there are plenty of libs that are pro 2a.

Sorry. The only time this makes sense is if the word liberal is used in the original definition.

The current liberal is defined as a progressive. The progressive mentality is that of collectivismn and socialism/marxism.

A person cannot call themselves a liberal and at the same time be pro 2A. They are not mutually inclusive.

Also, if an individual claims to be both, at what point along the progressive agenda continuum will they either:

1. Give up their 2A RKBA so they can remain in the good graces of the progressive socialist crowd.

or

2. Realize the error of their ways and hold true to the 2A and the rest of the constitution and BOR and abandon the progressive agenda?

I grow weary of these current crop of liberals trying to project a false facade of being pro 2A while at the the same time voting and supporting those who are intent on disarming me.

Anygunanywhere

Exactly. A liberal who supports the RKBA is like a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus. People seem to be confused over the liberal label these days. I find that many people who lean towards libertarian social values and have little else in common with progressives often call themselves "liberals." Very few of these "liberals" satisfy the litmus test of modern liberalism: being a collectivist. You can be all over the place politically if you're not a collectivist, but if you're a collectivist you're an ideologue committed to a single course of action.

VMI77 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

cheezit wrote:leaning nither left or right and being from cali. i can assure you there are plenty of libs that are pro 2a.

Sorry. The only time this makes sense is if the word liberal is used in the original definition.

The current liberal is defined as a progressive. The progressive mentality is that of collectivismn and socialism/marxism.

A person cannot call themselves a liberal and at the same time be pro 2A. They are not mutually inclusive.

Also, if an individual claims to be both, at what point along the progressive agenda continuum will they either:

1. Give up their 2A RKBA so they can remain in the good graces of the progressive socialist crowd.

or

2. Realize the error of their ways and hold true to the 2A and the rest of the constitution and BOR and abandon the progressive agenda?

I grow weary of these current crop of liberals trying to project a false facade of being pro 2A while at the the same time voting and supporting those who are intent on disarming me.

Anygunanywhere

Exactly. A liberal who supports the RKBA is like a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus. People seem to be confused over the liberal label these days. I find that many people who lean towards libertarian social values and have little else in common with progressives often call themselves "liberals." Very few of these "liberals" satisfy the litmus test of modern liberalism: being a collectivist. You can be all over the place politically if you're not a collectivist, but if you're a collectivist you're an ideologue committed to a single course of action.

I agree with you that the labels that people may be attaching to themselves don't necessarily fit the things that they actually believe in nor the labels as they are used by the press or public in general. Its really hard to tell the players without a roster...

pbwalker wrote:I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

So what exactly defines their belief system if they claim to be liberal and pro 2A?

That they want to tax me to death and give my money to sponges?

That they want to gut the military to fund their sponge support?

That they want to implement their idea of social engineering at the expense of my freedoms?

That they want to build a utopia at my expense?

In some form or another, every aspect of the liberal collectivist agenda affects ME. I do not agree with any of it.

LEAVE ME ALONE. YOU FUND YOUR AGENDA WITH YOUR OWN RESOURCES. NOT MINE.

Stop trying to convince me that liberal collectivists are right there beside me fighting for my rights because it is a lie. If any part of a statement is not true it is all a lie. Where will these so-called pro 2A collectivist be when you need them to REALLY stand up for the 2A?

Anygunanywhere

pbwalker wrote: I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

That would be me. I consider myself 'Right of Center' on most issues. 'Left' on some issues--although not many. And extremely 'Right' on some things. Unfortunately, our two-party system seems to require all or nothing on the Left and Right. I don't want to be labeled Conservative, Liberal, right, or left. I loathe the notion that you are not a liberal or conservative because you do not fit into someone's neat little box of their beliefs.

The only label I need is An American!

v-rog

"...we need to be on our best behavior."

Please elaborate.

Thanks

i8godzilla wrote:

pbwalker wrote: I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

That would be me. I consider myself 'Right of Center' on most issues. 'Left' on some issues--although not many. And extremely 'Right' on some things. Unfortunately, our two-party system seems to require all or nothing on the Left and Right. I don't want to be labeled Conservative, Liberal, right, or left. I loathe the notion that you are not a liberal or conservative because you do not fit into someone's neat little box of their beliefs.

The only label I need is An American!

Well said!

I'm with you 100% on that...

hmmm. i didnt know gay rights cost you money my bad.
single issue, one tract people on both sides of the fence.
i have not now nor will i ever sale my sole down political river as so many do.
as far as christians not beliving in jesues well there are those that dont belive.. just as there are jews that proclaim him to be a savyor. i dont fall in to either of those groups either

yes it is possble to vote what you think is right. still be pro 2a, pro womens choice, pro gay rights and be against giving away the peoples money on ill got goods.

Whatever.

Anygunanywhere

ya whatever

pbwalker wrote:I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

Classical Liberals, yes, but none of them would have voted for Obama. Probably not for Romney either.

sunny beach wrote:

pbwalker wrote:I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

Classical Liberals, yes, but none of them would have voted for Obama. Probably not for Romney either.

i can agree with that.