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Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:12 pm
by baldeagle
RX8er wrote:I was just reading this on my FoxNews app.
Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.
Let's see. 1.6 billion rounds divided by 5 years is 320 million rounds per year, which is 21 times what the training centers expend in a normal year.

So what do they do with the other 20?

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:25 pm
by 67SS
Little thing about the Army's small arms contract per year

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link above is a pretty good read....

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:25 pm
by Andrew
67SS wrote:Little thing about the Army's small arms contract per year

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link above is a pretty good read....
Wow, we agree on something! lol. Chart does not include pistol ammunition usage.

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:02 pm
by 67SS
not sure... but I believe that pistol rounds are not consider in this document because they are not primary weapons... the side arm is a measure of last resort in a war...I think primary because the infantry is not issued a sidearm (m9, sig,226, or 1911) rather a M4....

a young friend (scheduled for redeploy in 12/13) was a top gunner, he was loaded down.. m2 turret, 249 across his lap.. he was also the DM , he had not only his m4 but the 762 version as well. and a M9..... poor guy.. I love him tho.. a true hero in every respect... 27 years old... been in service since HS... his last trip.. brought him back with a a 762x39 hit on his back plate... he gave my his arm flag he wore when it happened.. I am so honored...

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:44 pm
by nightmare
old farmer wrote:Over the next 5 year, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition will be acquired by Homeland Secuity. What is going on with the goverment? 5 bullets for every man, woman and child in the USA.
:patriot:
Divided by 5 years, so it's only one per year.

:fire

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:27 pm
by Taxman
The thing that bothers me is the amount of hollow point ammo in the order.

http://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096 ... cf105309c3

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:51 pm
by ajwakeboarder
Taxman wrote:The thing that bothers me is the amount of hollow point ammo in the order.

http://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096 ... cf105309c3
:iagree: I don't know many people who use hollow points as training rounds.

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:57 pm
by Redneck_Buddha
ajwakeboarder wrote:
Taxman wrote:The thing that bothers me is the amount of hollow point ammo in the order.

http://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096 ... cf105309c3
:iagree: I don't know many people who use hollow points as training rounds.
FWIW, Someone mentioned in a thread a few weeks ago that agents are required to train with the same type of ammo they use in the field.

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:39 pm
by ajwakeboarder
Redneck_Buddha wrote:
ajwakeboarder wrote:
Taxman wrote:The thing that bothers me is the amount of hollow point ammo in the order.

http://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096 ... cf105309c3
:iagree: I don't know many people who use hollow points as training rounds.
FWIW, Someone mentioned in a thread a few weeks ago that agents are required to train with the same type of ammo they use in the field.
If thats the case why did they buy a few million FMJ rounds?

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:20 pm
by 67SS
for fun.. and because the have a tendency to go through and through.. wounding a second.... far more effective in warfare than JHP

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:25 pm
by JimmyD
1.6 billion rounds? And...they are trying to disarm law abiding citizens...good luck with that!

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:55 pm
by mr surveyor
I'm afraid there isn't enough wheel weights in the entire country to cast that many boolits

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:43 pm
by tommyg
I think the gov is buying up all the ammo to keep us from getting it

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:07 am
by 67SS
naw.. ATK has added and expanded production to keep up with war production.... wait till the pull out of Afgan..... DOD is restocking.. as they have depleted reserves...

October 13th, 2010

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http://www.atk.com/locations/small-cali ... ndence-mo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Small Caliber Systems (Independence, Mo.)

ATK Small Caliber Systems is the proud operator of the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Mo., and the Defense Department’s primary source for military 5.56 mm, 7.62 mm and .50-caliber rifle ammunition. In the 12 years ATK has operated the plant, we have delivered more than 12 billion rounds, launched the revolutionary Enhanced Performance Round, and completed more than $370 million in modernization improvements to expand capacity and sustain the plant well into the future. Lake City Environmental Newsletter
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49294740/ns/t ... SBklB04t8E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
10/4/2012 ATK wins $8.4 billion U.S. Army ammunition plant contract: Pentagon
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Alliant Techsystems Inc has won a contract valued at up to $8.4 billion to supply small-caliber ammunition to the U.S. Army and continue operating the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Missouri, the Pentagon announced on Thursday.
The fixed-price contract runs through September 30, 2022, the Pentagon said in its daily digest of major contracts.
On Monday, ATK announced it had been selected to provide the ammunition and manage the Lake City plant, but did not provide the value of the contract.
It said the deal included an initial seven-year contract and options for three additional years.
http://www.atk.com/news-releases/atk-be ... ion-plant/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ATK Begins Medium Caliber Ammunition Integration Operations at Radford Army Ammunition Plant
September 20, 1999
ATK (Alliant Techsystems) (NYSE: ATK) said it has begun medium caliber ammunition load, assemble, and pack (LAP) operations at the Radford Army Ammunition Plant (RAAP) in Radford, Va. The operations previously were performed by ATK at the Joliet Army Ammunition Plant in Wilmington, Ill.


http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/s ... ily34.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sep 10, 2010, 9:07am CDT UPDATED: Sep 10, 2010, 9:32am CDT
ATK will build $100M plant in Utah
AlliantTechsystems Inc. plans to invest $100 million to build a new manufacturing facility in Clearfield, Utah, a suburb of Salt Lake City, according to a report in the Salt Lake Tribune.


http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/314899" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Radford ammo plant to get $240 million upgrade
October 04, 2012
The plant's new manager, BAE Systems, could break ground on the three-year project next year.

Re: 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:34 am
by 67SS
lastly
Sunday, January 11, 2004

By Joseph L. Galloway
Knight Ridder Newspapers


FORT BELVOIR, Va. The U.S. military's only plant making small-arms ammunition is running at near capacity, 4 million rounds a day, and the United States still is forced to look overseas and to the recreational industry for ammunition for troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and those training to deploy there soon.

Gen. Paul Kern, commander of the Army Materiel Command, said Friday that giving those units priority ensured they had enough small-arms ammunition. "Everyone else will have to pay the price" and wait for it, he said.

The increased demand for ammunition for combat shooting and intensified training has made deep inroads in the nation's war reserves of ammunition, Kern said.

The sole plant making small-arms ammunition, the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Mo., is running three eight-hour shifts a day, six days a week. The plant provides 5.56 mm rifle, 7.62 mm and .50 caliber machine gun as well as 9 mm pistol cartridges for all branches of the military.

Because of the increased demand for ammunition since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Kern said the Army in late December let two supplemental contracts to Olin Winchester of East Alton, Ill., and Israeli Military Industries for each to produce 70 million rifle rounds per month starting in June.

The general said it would probably take until 2005 to get small-arms ammunition production to a level at which there will be enough to cover all the increased training needs and begin rebuilding the war reserves.

"We can't just go out and buy our ammunition commercially," Kern said. "We maintain very tight quality controls. Our ammo has to work, at 40 below zero or 140 degrees."

He said the Army has put an additional $225 million into small-arms ammunition production and additional armor for Humvees since the 9-11 attacks.

In addition to combat requirements, two other factors were driving the increased demand for ammunition: increased live-fire training for combat-service-support units and the fact that Reserves and National Guard were shooting as much as the active Army as they trained for deployment

ATK Awarded $8.5B Contract for Rifle Ammunition, Plant Operation
Posted by David J. Barton on Oct 5th, 2012 // No Comment

http://www.govconwire.com/2012/10/atk-w ... operation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ATK (NYSE:ATK) has won a fixed-price contract with economic-price-adjustment worth up to $8,480,000,000 to provide small caliber rifle ammunition.
ATK is also expected to operate, maintain and modernize the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant.
Work is estimated to be completed by Sept. 30, 2022 and the location will be determined with each order.
Two bids were received for one bid solicited online.
The U.S. Army Contracting Command, Rock Island, Ill., is the contracting activity.

Previous ATK ammunition contract awards
ATK Wins $58M For Army Spider Munitions
ATK Wins $266M for Army Small Caliber Ammo
ATK Wins $68M for Army Ammo Cartridges
ATK Wins $2B Army Small Caliber Ammo Contract
ATK Wins $30M to Supply Afghan Security Forces with Non-Standard Ammunition