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stevie_d_64 wrote: The reasonable decision about it being an imminent threat to you and whomever is with you has already been made...And you didn't make it...

The decision you will actually have to make is draw, or die...No one will make that one for you...

I'm in agreement here. My main concern here is figuring out how I would draw in such a situation. It's a given that if someone draws on me in a mugging, and there's no way to avoid it, I'm going to be pulling an shooting. I am simply trying to figure out the best way to go about it. Another complicating factor to this is the girlfriend. Her natural instinct would probably be to get closer to me/behind me. If I'm going to be drawing, I'll want to sidestep as far from her as I practically can to avoid her being hit in a shootout.

Also, is it just me, or does anyone else get a rush of adrenaline simply thinking situations like this out? I'm not saying this in the "WHOA, AWESOME ADRENALINE RUSH, DUDE!" sense - any time I'm going through a shooting situation like this in my head, my heart goes overdrive and I get shaky... simply a rush of adrenaline into my system.

I don't know if anyone has seen this:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=254200

Story about a member on the firing lane getting jumped by some guy in a ski mask. Whole thread has some nice stuff in it.

After reading his story it was the first, first hand account that I've read that literally made me sick to my stomach and made me think long and hard about what I would do in his situation. Made me reevaluate my strategies on situational awareness and make sure that the possibility of something happening is on the level of winning powerball.

There's also a bit on there of a report that was made where they had various military, leos try to draw on a already drawn person. From what I gather only one person was able to actually shoot the 'bad guy' before getting shot in return, everyone else got nailed before they could draw completely.

piro wrote:I don't know if anyone has seen this:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=254200

Story about a member on the firing lane getting jumped by some guy in a ski mask. Whole thread has some nice stuff in it.

After reading his story it was the first, first hand account that I've read that literally made me sick to my stomach and made me think long and hard about what I would do in his situation. Made me reevaluate my strategies on situational awareness and make sure that the possibility of something happening is on the level of winning powerball.

There's also a bit on there of a report that was made where they had various military, leos try to draw on a already drawn person. From what I gather only one person was able to actually shoot the 'bad guy' before getting shot in return, everyone else got nailed before they could draw completely.

Again with the adrenaline and heart-pounding/shaking. Man, I'm gonna be exhausted by the end of my shift if I keep reading this stuff. Well, at least it doesn't seem to be unique to me, although the girlfriend has noticed that the same thing happens to me watching any kind of movie with action conflict in it - my heart goes into overdrive, I get shaky and hot. I've noticed the same thing when reading books with crisis conflict plots, too. I've been contemplating using this ability to invoke an adrenaline rush with simple situational thinking to practice shooting under stress. Anyone else done this?

What if you acted like you were fainting, grabbed your chest or something and on the ways to your knees, pulled your weapon and fire from there?

Oddly enough, Charles had set up similar senario's at the Forum Day @ PSC last year. There was some good information gained as tactical moves used to draw and fire. I wish someone had made a video.

Hopefully, this will be covered again this year.

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casselthief wrote:It's all that coffee doing that to ya, man.

for me, my ol' lady would probably start laughing. she laughs at everything. and I mean everything.
I like the idea of using the coat to visually cover your actions. that's basically what I would do if he was out of reach.
If in reach, I reckon I would block the gun hand, and punch with my other hand, squa' in the throat. then go from there

I carry crossdraw, shoulder or pocket a lot. [driving, restaurants, movies] Since I'm old I need to gain time on the BG, because it is likely he will have the drop or speed advantage. So, I look for ways to sheld, or deceive.

I can fire from the shoulder holster, while turned sideways. Which also gives a thinner profile. I do not have to "draw" from my off body "day planner/ bible case" carrier either.

I would not be above yelling my dog's name, and "Attack!" as if he were there either. Just as I am about to present the weapon.

RPBrown wrote:Oddly enough, Charles had set up similar senario's at the Forum Day @ PSC last year. There was some good information gained as tactical moves used to draw and fire. I wish someone had made a video.

Hopefully, this will be covered again this year.

Yer going to make me go out and try to find that...

"Hey homey, is that my briefcase?" video clip

Aren't you!

Dangit!

stevie_d_64 wrote:

RPBrown wrote:Oddly enough, Charles had set up similar senario's at the Forum Day @ PSC last year. There was some good information gained as tactical moves used to draw and fire. I wish someone had made a video.

Hopefully, this will be covered again this year.

Yer going to make me go out and try to find that...

"Hey homey, is that my briefcase?" video clip

Aren't you!

Dangit!

please....

stevie_d_64 wrote:Yer going to make me go out and try to find that...

"Hey homey, is that my briefcase?" video clip

Aren't you!

I have it. But unfortunately it doesn't pass muster of the 10-year-old daughter rule. PM me if you want it.

(Edited to add: this is just the brief scene from the Tom Cruise movie, Collateral Damage...so you've probably seen it already. Mentioning this just in case you may think it's something special...)

Backflipping hatchet attack.

But seriously? I'm IWB @ 7 o'clock, non issue. If I did have a rig like that, free your strong hand from the jacket first and keep your jacket between you and him, as your weapon will still be concealed until it comes off the other arm. So after you get the one strong hand out bring it inside the jacket as if you're going to take it off, draw, shoot through jacket. Who knows what happens past that, but he wouldn't expect it.

motleystew wrote:What if you acted like you were fainting, grabbed your chest or something and on the ways to your knees, pulled your weapon and fire from there?

I agree with this 100%. Something we were always taught was distraction can be your best defense. Demonstrating some form of confusing act can also fall into play here as well. Do anything to make the BG look into another direction and that 2 second delay is all the time in the world. Look over the BG's shoulder and shout a few explitives like some one is coming. Tell the BG your wallet is in your vehicle "right there" and point behind him. Act like you recognize the BG and ask him if he is "Michael" or insert your own name.

The only issue with this tactic is the BG's response to confusion. If you can take his focus off of the fact the HE has a gun for just a few seconds, things are in your favor. Again, there is no perfect response to a threat other than keeping your head on straight and your loved ones safe.