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Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:22 pm
by mamabearCali
Syntyr wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:
There will be no backlash in Colorado. Nor in New York. Nor in Connecticut. Nor in any other states which finally threw out the 2nd Amendment so that they could feel safer.
I would love to be wrong, but I don't think I am.
ummm yep! We have lost Colorado for the forseeable future... California and New York have been long gone and aren't coming back short of some sort of catastrophic sea change.
I think the backlash will be a population shift. Liberty minded people will start to immigrate to more freedom friendly states. The result will be polarization on both side....which is not an all bad thing.
I know Chris and I have said that if Virginia goes he eu of Maryland we will look for a way out.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:35 pm
by The Annoyed Man
VMI77 wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:jmra wrote:CowboyEngineer wrote:The Libs haven't had a new idea since the '60's. They will continue to push for gun control, registration, and confiscation and will use every incident of evil as justification. My guess is that the commie in chief will use executive orders and budget cuts to try and get his way, at least partially. While we may have won these votes at the national level, we lost the battles in several states. The Libs will continue their attacks at the state level and will also use liberal judges to try and restrict the 2nd amendment.
We may have lost battles in those states but those loses may actually help us win the war. People who were content to sit on the sidelines in those states are now getting involved. We may see a lot of backlash in the voting booths next election.
I would like to believe this is true, but in states like Colorado, I don't think it is. It's a numbers game. From 1960 to 2000, the population of Colorado nearly
tripled.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s8/chart_popl.html
From 1980 to 2000, the racial/ethnic distribution of Colorado's population changed in measurable ways. The primary change has been an offsetting percentage increase in the hispanic population and percentage decrease in the white population:
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s8/chart_race.html.
The number of residents who moved into Colorado from another state between 1995 and the 2000 census was almost 50% higher than those who moved into Colorado between 1985 and the 1990 census. The number who moved in from "elsewhere" (besides another state) was 2.5X higher between 1995 and 2000 than it was between 1985 and 1990. Draw your own conclusions, but in my book, I'm guessing that number consists primarily of illegal aliens.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s8/chart_migration.html
In other words, the electoral results and the new gun laws in colorado are a product of significant changes in the makeup of the voter base over the past 20 years. Those changes represent people who are liberal voters. Colorado was never a
strongly conservative state. When it
had republican majorities, they were close majorities, and their brand of republicanism was never that far right of center. Similarly, Colorado's brand of democrats wasn't
that far left of center. In other words, it was a
moderate state. It is highly unlikely that the influx of voters into Colorado over the past 20 years are likely to change their view on guns,
because they brought their gun politics with them from wherever they came from. They like it there, and they're not going to leave. The state democrat party in Colorado has undergone the same hard left shift that has happened nationally. The sad result is that the portion of the voter base who were
steadfastly pro-gun in the past is likely to remain in the political minority for possibly decades into the future. Colorado, like California, has been more or less permanently lost, and it isn't likely to change unless it is in response to some cataclysmic national political event.
There will be no backlash in Colorado. Nor in New York. Nor in Connecticut. Nor in any other states which finally threw out the 2nd Amendment so that they could
feel safer.
I would love to be wrong, but I don't think I am.
And demographics is what the "immigration" Bill is all about.....shifting votes in favor of the collectivists.
Exactly......which is why democrat machine owned cities set up "sanctuaries" in violation of federal law........and then the administration selectively enforces the law. They LOVE laws which strip citizens of their rights, or which give those rights away to people who sneak into the country illegally. When it comes to protecting the rights of citizens, they couldn't be less interested.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:39 pm
by VMI77
Syntyr wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:
There will be no backlash in Colorado. Nor in New York. Nor in Connecticut. Nor in any other states which finally threw out the 2nd Amendment so that they could feel safer.
I would love to be wrong, but I don't think I am.
ummm yep! We have lost Colorado for the forseeable future... California and New York have been long gone and aren't coming back short of some sort of catastrophic sea change.
California became a write-off a very long time ago. My father was a man ahead of his time....he saw it way back in 1969 and moved the family to South Texas.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:14 pm
by SherwoodForest
I wouldn't throw in the towel on Colorado just yet.
I expect to see a Republican take over there in 2014 because of the Democrats sucking up to THE COMMUNIST -IN-CHIEF, and Mayor Blooming-idiot.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:15 pm
by bdickens
Don't believe for a second that the leftist collectivists/ statists are panicking. They control the media and therefore control the public discussion. They control the educational institutions and therefore control the shaping of ideas and opinions at the most impressionable ages. They control the regulatory agencies of government and darn near have a stranglehold on the courts and therefore control the enforcement and interpretation of the law.
The leftist collectivists/ statists are very vocal, very patient and absolutely relentless. They will not stop. They are very patient and look at things over the long haul. Their time frames are measured in years, decades and generations. Defeat is merely a temporary setback and they are perfectly willing to gain ground by the millimeter if necessary.
They are very good at throwing fits upon losing a minor skirmish as a cover as they regroup and prepare to renew their assault.
By contrast, we have a remarkable tendency to sit back on our heels after winning a minor skirmish, wiping our collective brows, congratulating ourselves on our victory and telling ourselves we can rest now.
Meanwhile, the left never sleeps and they are amassing for the next attack.
Did we really think Heller would stop them? Heller was nothing more than a speed bump.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:20 pm
by texanjoker
longtooth wrote:

Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:52 pm
by Dadtodabone
Syntyr wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:
There will be no backlash in Colorado. Nor in New York. Nor in Connecticut. Nor in any other states which finally threw out the 2nd Amendment so that they could feel safer.
I would love to be wrong, but I don't think I am.
ummm yep! We have lost Colorado for the forseeable future... California and New York have been long gone and aren't coming back short of some sort of catastrophic sea change.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/11/left ... rdest-hit/
This abomination will cement radical leftist control of Colorado for the foreseeable future.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:56 am
by Baytown_Cajun
Put nothing past these people. Had the Marathon Bombers been caucasians that were not in marxist terrorist groups; they would have pulled some stunt by Executive Orders.
Re: Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:56 am
by jimlongley
One of the major problems with the population shift is that the electoral college counts will not change until after the next census, so even if all of upstate NY finally leaves NY City to its own, and similarly with other liberal enclaves, they will still hold the unbalanced power they currently hold.